Tuesday, September 27, 2005

How Bush Blew It

Bureaucratic timidity. Bad phone lines. And a failure of imagination. Why the government was so slow to respond to catastrophe.

By Evan Thomas
Newsweek
Sept. 19, 2005 issue - It's a standing joke among the president's top aides: who gets to deliver the bad news? Warm and hearty in public, Bush can be cold and snappish in private, and aides sometimes cringe before the displeasure of the president of the United States, or, as he is known in West Wing jargon, POTUS. The bad news on this early morning, Tuesday, Aug. 30, some 24 hours after Hurricane Katrina had ripped through New Orleans, was that the president would have to cut short his five-week vacation by a couple of days and return to Washington. The president's chief of staff, Andrew Card; his deputy chief of staff, Joe Hagin; his counselor, Dan Bartlett, and his spokesman, Scott McClellan, held a conference call to discuss the question of the president's early return and the delicate task of telling him. Hagin, it was decided, as senior aide on the ground, would do the deed.

The president did not growl this time. He had already decided to return to Washington and hold a meeting of his top advisers on the following day, Wednesday. This would give them a day to get back from their vacations and their staffs to work up some ideas about what to do in the aftermath of the storm. President Bush knew the storm and its consequences had been bad; but he didn't quite realize how bad.

The reality, say several aides who did not wish to be quoted because it might displease the president, did not really sink in until Thursday night. Some White House staffers were watching the evening news and thought the president needed to see the horrific reports coming out of New Orleans. Counselor Bartlett made up a DVD of the newscasts so Bush could see them in their entirety as he flew down to the Gulf Coast the next morning on Air Force One.

How this could be—how the president of the United States could have even less "situational awareness," as they say in the military, than the average American about the worst natural disaster in a century—is one of the more perplexing and troubling chapters in a story that, despite moments of heroism and acts of great generosity, ranks as a national disgrace.

President George W. Bush has always trusted his gut. He prides himself in ignoring the distracting chatter, the caterwauling of the media elites, the Washington political buzz machine. He has boasted that he doesn't read the papers. His doggedness is often admirable. It is easy for presidents to overreact to the noise around them.

But it is not clear what President Bush does read or watch, aside from the occasional biography and an hour or two of ESPN here and there. Bush can be petulant about dissent; he equates disagreement with disloyalty. After five years in office, he is surrounded largely by people who agree with him. Bush can ask tough questions, but it's mostly a one-way street. Most presidents keep a devil's advocate around. Lyndon Johnson had George Ball on Vietnam; President Ronald Reagan and Bush's father, George H.W. Bush, grudgingly listened to the arguments of Budget Director Richard Darman, who told them what they didn't wish to hear: that they would have to raise taxes. When Hurricane Katrina struck, it appears there was no one to tell President Bush the plain truth: that the state and local governments had been overwhelmed, that the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) was not up to the job and that the military, the only institution with the resources to cope, couldn't act without a declaration from the president overriding all other authority.

The war in Iraq was a failure of intelligence. The government's response to Katrina—like the failure to anticipate that terrorists would fly into buildings on 9/11—was a failure of imagination. On Tuesday, within 24 hours of the storm's arrival, Bush needed to be able to imagine the scenes of disorder and misery that would, two days later, shock him when he watched the evening news. He needed to be able to see that New Orleans would spin into violence and chaos very quickly if the U.S. government did not take charge—and, in effect, send in the cavalry, which in this case probably meant sending in a brigade from a combat outfit, like the 82nd Airborne, based in Fort Bragg, N.C., and prepared to deploy anywhere in the world in 18 hours.

Bush and his advisers in his "war cabinet" have always been action-oriented, "forward leaning," in the favorite phrase of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. They dislike lawyers and sometimes brush aside legalistic (and even sound constitutional) arguments. But this time "Rummy" opposed sending in active-duty troops as cops. Dick Cheney, who was vacationing in Wyoming when the storm hit, characteristically kept his counsel on videoconferences; his private advice is not known.

Liberals will say they were indifferent to the plight of poor African-Americans. It is true that Katrina laid bare society's massive neglect of its least fortunate. The inner thoughts and motivations of Bush and his top advisers are impossible to know for certain. Though it seems abstract at a time of such suffering, high-minded considerations about the balance of power between state and federal government were clearly at play. It's also possible that after at least four years of more or less constant crisis, Bush and his team are numb.

The failure of the government's response to Hurricane Katrina worked like a power blackout. Problems cascaded and compounded; each mistake made the next mistake worse. The foe in this battle was a monster; Katrina flattened the Gulf Coast with the strength of a vengeful god. But human beings, beginning with the elected officials of the City of New Orleans, failed to anticipate and react in time.

Congressional investigations will take months to sort out who is to blame. A NEWSWEEK reconstruction of the government's response to the storm shows how Bush's leadership style and the bureaucratic culture combined to produce a disaster within a disaster.

Ray Nagin, the mayor of New Orleans, didn't want to evacuate. New Orleanians have a fatalistic streak; their joyful, jazz-blowing street funeral processions are legendary. After many near misses over the years since Hurricane Betsy flooded 20 percent of the city in 1965, longtime residents prefer to stay put. Nagin's eye had long been on commerce, not catastrophe. A former executive at Cox Communications, he had come to office in 2002 to clear out the allegedly corrupt old guard and bring new business to the city, which has not prospered with New South metropolises like Atlanta. During Nagin's mayoral campaign, the promises were about jobs, not stronger floodwalls and levees.

But on Saturday night, as Katrina bore down on New Orleans, Nagin talked to Max Mayfield, head of the National Hurricane Center. "Max Mayfield has scared me to death," Nagin told City Councilwoman Cynthia Morrell early Sunday morning. "If you're scared, I'm scared," responded Morrell, and the mandatory order went out to evacuate the city—about a day later than for most other cities and counties along the Gulf Coast.

As Katrina howled outside Monday morning and the windows of the Hyatt Hotel, where the mayor had set up his command post, began popping out, Nagin and his staff lay on the floor. Then came eerie silence. Morrell decided to go look at her district, including nearby Gentilly. Outside, Canal Street was dry. "Phew," Morrell told her driver, "that was close." But then, from the elevated highway, she began seeing neighborhoods under eight to 15 feet of water. "Holy God," she thought to herself. Then she spotted her first dead body.

At dusk, on the ninth floor of city hall, the mayor and the city council had their first encounter with the federal government. A man in a blue FEMA windbreaker arrived to brief them on his helicopter flyover of the city. He seemed unfamiliar with the city's geography, but he did have a sense of urgency. "Water as far as the eye can see," he said. It was worse than Hurricanes Andrew in 1992 and Camille in 1969. "I need to call Washington," he said. "Do you have a conference-call line?" According to an aide to the mayor, he seemed a little taken aback when the answer was no. Long neglected in the city budget, communications within the New Orleans city government were poor, and eventually almost nonexistent when the batteries on the few old satellite phones died. The FEMA man found a phone, but he had trouble reaching senior officials in Washington. When he finally got someone on the line, the city officials kept hearing him say, "You don't understand, you don't understand."

Around New Orleans, three levees had overtopped or were broken. The city was doomed. There was no way the water could be stopped. But, incredibly, the seriousness of the situation did not really register, not only in Washington, but at the state emergency command post upriver in Baton Rouge. In a squat, drab cinder-block building in the state capital, full of TV monitors and maps, various state and federal officials tried to make sense of what had happened. "Nobody was saying it wasn't a catastrophe," Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu told NEWSWEEK. "We were saying, 'Thank you, God,' because the experts were telling the governor it could have been even worse."

Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco, a motherly but steely figure known by the nickname Queen Bee, knew that she needed help. But she wasn't quite sure what. At about 8 p.m., she spoke to Bush. "Mr. President," she said, "we need your help. We need everything you've got."

Bush, the governor later recalled, was reassuring. But the conversation was all a little vague. Blanco did not specifically ask for a massive intervention by the active-duty military. "She wouldn't know the 82nd Airborne from the Harlem Boys' Choir," said an official in the governor's office, who did not wish to be identified talking about his boss's conversations with the president. There are a number of steps Bush could have taken, short of a full-scale federal takeover, like ordering the military to take over the pitiful and (by now) largely broken emergency communications system throughout the region. But the president, who was in San Diego preparing to give a speech the next day on the war in Iraq, went to bed.
By the predawn hours, most state and federal officials finally realized that the 17th Street Canal levee had been breached, and that the city was in serious trouble. Bush was told at 5 a.m. Pacific Coast time and immediately decided to cut his vacation short. To his senior advisers, living in the insular presidential bubble, the mere act of lopping off a couple of presidential vacation days counts as a major event. They could see pitfalls in sending Bush to New Orleans immediately. His presence would create a security nightmare and get in the way of the relief effort. Bush blithely proceeded with the rest of his schedule for the day, accepting a gift guitar at one event and pretending to riff like Tom Cruise in "Risky Business."

Bush might not have appeared so carefree if he had been able to see the fearful faces on some young police officers—the ones who actually showed up for roll call at the New Orleans Second District police headquarters that morning. The radio was reporting water nine feet deep at the corner of Napoleon and St. Charles streets. The looting and occasional shooting had begun. At 2 o'clock on the morning of the storm, only 82 of 120 cops had obeyed a summons to report for duty. Now the numbers were dwindling; within a day, only 28 or 30 officers would be left to save the stranded and fight the looters, recalled a sad and exhausted Capt. Eddie Hosli, speaking to a NEWSWEEK reporter last week. "One of my lieutenants told me, 'I was looking into the eyes of one of the officers and it was like looking into the eyes of a baby'," Hosli recalled. "It was just terrible." (When the AWOL officers began trickling back to work last week, attracted in part by the promise of five expense-paid days in Las Vegas for all New Orleans cops, Hosli told them, "You've got your own demons to live with. I'm not going to judge you.")

At emergency headquarters in Baton Rouge, confusion raged. Though more than 100,000 of its residents had no way to get out of the city on their own, New Orleans had no real evacuation plan, save to tell people to go to the Superdome and wait for buses. On Tuesday, the state was rounding up buses; no, FEMA was; no, FEMA's buses would take too long to get there ... and so on. On Tuesday afternoon, Governor Blanco took her second trip to the Superdome and was shocked by the rising tide of desperation there. There didn't seem to be nearly enough buses, boats or helicopters.

Early Wednesday morning, Blanco tried to call Bush. She was transferred around the White House for a while until she ended up on the phone with Fran Townsend, the president's Homeland Security adviser, who tried to reassure her but did not have many specifics. Hours later, Blanco called back and insisted on speaking to the president. When he came on the line, the governor recalled, "I just asked him for help, 'whatever you have'." She asked for 40,000 troops. "I just pulled a number out of the sky," she later told NEWSWEEK.

The Pentagon was not sitting idly. By Tuesday morning (and even before the storm) the military was moving supplies, ships, boats, helicopters and troops toward the Gulf Coast. But, ironically, the scale of the effort slowed it. TV viewers had difficulty understanding why TV crews seemed to move in and out of New Orleans while the military was nowhere to be seen. But a TV crew is five people in an RV. Before the military can send in convoys of trucks, it has to clear broken and flooded highways. The military took over the shattered New Orleans airport for emergency airlifts, but special teams of Air Force operators had to be sent in to make it ready. By the week after the storm, the military had mobilized some 70,000 troops and hundreds of helicopters—but it took at least two days and usually four and five to get them into the disaster area. Looters and well-armed gangs, like TV crews, moved faster.

In the inner councils of the Bush administration, there was some talk of gingerly pushing aside the overwhelmed "first responders," the state and local emergency forces, and sending in active-duty troops. But under an 1868 law, federal troops are not allowed to get involved in local law enforcement. The president, it's true, could have invoked the Insurrections Act, the so-called Riot Act. But Rumsfeld's aides say the secretary of Defense was leery of sending in 19-year-old soldiers trained to shoot people in combat to play policemen in an American city, and he believed that National Guardsmen trained as MPs were on the way.

The one federal agency that is supposed to handle disasters—FEMA—was dysfunctional. On Wednesday morning, Senator Landrieu was standing outside the chaotic Superdome and asked to borrow a FEMA official's phone to call her office in Washington. "It didn't work," she told NEWSWEEK. "I thought to myself, 'This isn't going to be pretty'." Once a kind of petty-cash drawer for congressmen to quickly hand out aid after floods and storms, FEMA had improved in the 1990s in the Clinton administration. But it became a victim of the Iron Law of Unintended Consequences. After 9/11 raised the profile of disaster response, FEMA was folded into the sprawling Department of Homeland Security and effectively weakened. FEMA's boss, Bush's close friend Joe Allbaugh, quit when he lost his cabinet seat. (Now a consultant, Allbaugh was down on the Gulf Coast last week looking for contracts for his private clients.) Allbaugh replaced himself with his college buddy Mike Brown, whose last private-sector job (omitted from his official resume) had been supervising horse-show judges for the International Arabian Horse Association. After praising Brown ("Brownie, you're doing a heck of job"), Bush last week removed him from honchoing the Katrina relief operation. He was replaced by Coast Guard Vice Adm. Thad Allen. The Coast Guard was one agency that performed well, rescuing thousands.

Bad news rarely flows up in bureaucracies. For most of those first few days, Bush was hearing what a good job the Feds were doing. Bush likes "metrics," numbers to measure performance, so the bureaucrats gave him reassuring statistics. At a press availability on Wednesday, Bush duly rattled them off: there were 400 trucks transporting 5.4 million meals and 13.4 million liters of water along with 3.4 million pounds of ice. Yet it was obvious to anyone watching TV that New Orleans had turned into a Third World hellhole.

The denial and the frustration finally collided aboard Air Force One on Friday. As the president's plane sat on the tarmac at New Orleans airport, a confrontation occurred that was described by one participant as "as blunt as you can get without the Secret Service getting involved." Governor Blanco was there, along with various congressmen and senators and Mayor Nagin (who took advantage of the opportunity to take a shower aboard the plane). One by one, the lawmakers listed their grievances as Bush listened. Rep. Bobby Jindal, whose district encompasses New Orleans, told of a sheriff who had called FEMA for assistance. According to Jindal, the sheriff was told to e-mail his request, "and the guy was sitting in a district underwater and with no electricity," Jindal said, incredulously. "How does that make any sense?" Jindal later told NEWSWEEK that "almost everybody" around the conference table had a similar story about how the federal response "just wasn't working." With each tale, "the president just shook his head, as if he couldn't believe what he was hearing," says Jindal, a conservative Republican and Bush appointee who lost a close race to Blanco. Repeatedly, the president turned to his aides and said, "Fix it."

According to Sen. David Vitter, a Republican ally of Bush's, the meeting came to a head when Mayor Nagin blew up during a fraught discussion of "who's in charge?" Nagin slammed his hand down on the table and told Bush, "We just need to cut through this and do what it takes to have a more-controlled command structure. If that means federalizing it, let's do it."

A debate over "federalizing" the National Guard had been rattling in Washington for the previous three days. Normally, the Guard is under the control of the state governor, but the Feds can take over—if the governor asks them to. Nagin suggested that Lt. Gen. Russel Honore, the Pentagon's on-scene commander, be put in charge. According to Senator Vitter, Bush turned to Governor Blanco and said, "Well, what do you think of that, Governor?" Blanco told Bush, "I'd rather talk to you about that privately." To which Nagin responded, "Well, why don't you do that now?"

The meeting broke up. Bush and Blanco disappeared to talk. More than a week later, there was still no agreement. Blanco didn't want to give up her authority, and Bush didn't press. Jindal suggested that Bush appoint Colin Powell as a kind of relief czar, and Bush replied, "I'll take that into consideration." Bush does not like to fire people. He told Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff to go down to Louisiana and sort out the various problems. A day later FEMA's Brown was on his way back to Washington.

Late last week, Bush was, by some accounts, down and angry. But another Bush aide described the atmosphere inside the White House as "strangely surreal and almost detached." At one meeting described by this insider, officials were oddly self-congratulatory, perhaps in an effort to buck each other up. Life inside a bunker can be strange, especially in defeat.

With T. Trent Gegax, Arian Campo-Flores, Andrew Murr, Susannah Meadows, Jonathan Darman and Catharine Skipp in the gulf coast region, and Richard Wolffe, Holly Bailey, Mark Hosenball, Tamara Lipper, John Barry, Daniel Klaidman, Michael Isikoff, Michael Hirsh, Eve Conant, Martha Brant, Patricia Wingert, Eleanor Clift and Steve Tuttle in Washington


http://www.newsfromreality.com/katrina.html

Tuesday; 9pm
I feel bad that I have written to you lately. The cut and paste fanatic hasn't done his or her work in the last few days. Its funny when you see it on the www.hereinreality.com site!

Buffy and I had a great weekend checking out the balloon fiesta on Saturday and then having a great time at the wine tasting party! Sunday we went to see the ancient Chaco Canyon where ancient civilizations from a thousand years ago paid homage to the Gods! I was kidding how we had a United Nations 4 by 4 explorer on this expedition. There was a lady from Russia, the Spanish teacher from Columbia and a math teacher from the Phillipines. We all are unique and alone and we had such wonderful rapport. It's funny how I do so much better with foreigners! They don't notice that I'm different or wierd because they're from a totally different culture. We were joking around while I gave them all English lessons on what kind of slang young and old Americans use!

Next Weekend, Sat. 4:46
I was just checking out the flea market where I invested in some herbal teas for me and my students!! I hope that they like them when they both eventually come back from suspensions. ( I have these visions of learning more about the art of being a medicine man. I would like to become a better healer as I gradually learn to settle down and make myself at home in a new culture!!

I also tried out some natural tobaccos that give off a very sweet smoke totally different from real tobacco laced with addictive nicotine! It was so cool talking to Navaho women about the various types of healing herbs and smoke that relate to their own spiritualities. I was thinking of taking a long drive sometime to Tuba City sometime to check out the sweat houses!

I'm in the city now checking out any mail from AOL. None! I was wondering about going to the coffee shop and hanging out to check out any night life here in the big city??

Sunday 6:42Pm

I'm tired, bored and lonely. Maybe when I talk to M, I won't feel this way or allay the overwhelming sense of doom that often seems to pervade my psyche. I know that the folks that enjoy cutting and pasting from my site when I dare share my innermost feelings.

I am glad that I was productive today in cleaning up my place before I move across the way to share this beautiful view of the mountains! I started digging the hole for the fireplace before I move the water trough from my neighbor. I want to make her stay as enjoyable as possible. It will be so much fun to be with her and even let her visit my classes!

Another one of my students was busted on campus so that will be another hearing that I have to go to!
10/02/06
I was talking to her in my dream. She looked like she had put on about 30lbs but was still so beautiful. She was still very angry but I could still see she loved me. She said she was happily married. I could feel the sexual tension that she wanted to spill out how angry she was and then just as before we were about to make love and make another love child. I felt if I let her say everything about hurt she was that when we made love she would forgive me.

Tuesday, September 20, 2005

O Zone Reality Check??

10:30 Monday:
The usual prograstination before I finally disnii'sh (I am beginning to work)...
is the biggest vulnerability of someone with my level of ADD!

I have so many things to do, but I would rather talk to you for a few minutes, especially after the current love of my life tells me how beautiful I am. M wants to hold my shaved head in between her awaiting mammary glands. She wants me to stop by KC on the way back to my village...lol...
"I'll just hop a lear jet back to my desert airstrip at the foot of my backyard in front of my Mt. Serendipachi."
(I kissed her and she bit, but she made me feel so good after I climbed her.)

M gave me good news from Lillian, my favorite webmistress, can help me publish my book through the net with a special colored cover and in spiral for only $7.00 and only 3 cents a page after that! Wow to be a published novelist! We will have to find the meatiest and most humorous essays cutting down white anglo saxon rednecks and wannabee Stepford neighbors....that in itself sounds pretty meaty! (she rolls her eyes ;)

O Zone downtown library! 630 pm
I was so excited about getting on here to see the new format of the blog! lillian put it all together. M was even rolling her eyes about even merging her site onto mine! I'm sure the repukes on the tagboard would have coronary bypasses!
L said how my site is a 4 verses hers being a 6. Google rates the sites by the amount of information and traffic. I still don't quite understand, but it makes me feel like I'm getting a wonderful report card when I serendipitously least expect it!
I drove all night last night stopping at "Amarillo by morning"(between 1 and 2) . I need to change over to a new technology phone like Verizon where I can talk anywhere in the US without any fear of roaming!
I am so excited about seeing the results of this new site tomorrow before I take Buffy to the vet.
I want to make M happy and most of all myself, about making this a productive trip:

1.I need to see about getting a prescription for addaboy, so I wont forget important things on this trip like my health insurance card@! (I'm so excited about everything falling into place, even if it's only in small baby steps!
2. I walked into the Irs building like I did last year and rewarded myself with a beautiful walk in the gorgeous downtown park by the botanical gardens! Buffy jumped into the pond and saw her brief life past before her eyes before her head appeared scared as much as a neocon getting drafted! I pulled her out and happy that she finally had a bath!
3. I called the state board to at least know that they recieved my renewal aplication for my state licence over a month ago. I have all the verification forms, the fingerprints, the transcripts, the aplication filled out, so this will be the last step . I still need another form of ID for personell.

Monday
I went to a peace rally in OKC Saturday. A prominent liberal, Nathaniel Batchelder, who runs the peace house, was there. I want to write more about my trip and getting a house mate but I'm not really motivated to even write.
I arrived back in the teacheridge about 2am today after about a 10 hour drive! I'm really exhausted but I wanted to at least say hello. I actually enjoyed civilization and filed my taxes! I loved seeing the Paseo again and then the RED ROOSTER! Everyone remembered Buffy and she remembered the regular customers at my favorite intimate neighborhood bar!

Sunday, September 18, 2005

Lunch with Andre

My
Lunch
With

Andrei


by David Holzel

Soup, cabbage and surrealism with poet Andrei Codrescu.

A Joke:
The people are waiting in a long line to enter the food store. A commissar arrives. "The Jews must leave the line," he orders.

After an hour, the wait is still interminable, so the commissar announces: "Non-party members must leave the line."

An hour later the commissar returns. "There's nothing in the store. Everybody go home!"

The people leave, grumbling, "The Jews always have it good."

You can't take Eastern Europe out of Andrei Codrescu. Even after three decades in America, the Romanian-born poet, novelist and guardian of the jokes that made life bearable in the communist world still sees through the eyes of a Jew raised in that fallen utopia.
"Stories are what define us, what keeps us knowing who we are," says Codrescu, 51, known for his sardonic commentaries on National Public Radio's "All Things Considered." "Being human is something that contradicts itself an awful lot. And I think stories put that in perspective for us."

It's approaching noon on an autumn Sunday in Atlanta, and we are heading to a Chinese restaurant in search of the thing Codrescu's soul is crying out for: a bowl of soup and a plate of cabbage.

With his Tatar eyes and walrus mustache, Codrescu seems an exotic species of Jew -- intellectual, ironic, a man who believes a Jew, first and foremost, is a state of being. In person, he's a cheerfully unreconstructed bohemian. Once in the restaurant, he heads straight to the smoking section.

He's happy that his celebrity has led to extra income on the speaker circuit. But he believes the fame of a surrealist Romanian radio commentary may be fleeting. For now he'll stick with teaching English at Louisiana State University. Just don't call him "doctor."

"I have no formal college education whatsoever," he says. "I finished high school in Romania, though barely. I have the graduation picture in which I'm the only one without a tie. That's one of the funny things about the entire communist system, is that while they were revolutionary in their rhetoric, they're exceedingly formal in their dress."

He commands the English language better than most native speakers. At first his accent seems to be an impediment, slowing him down like thick syrup. But he speaks with ease. He seems to taste his words as he speaks them. Perhaps the soup and cabbage are artifice, and the words and ideas are Andre Codrescu's primary nourishment.

His recent compilation of commentaries, "The Dog With The Chip In His Neck" (St. Martin's Press), covers Codrescu's favorite territory: language, art, identity, East and West, the omnipresence of technology. In one piece, the writer wryly contends that "every time someone adds memory to their computer, thousands of people forget everything they know." The book's title piece refers to a Bouvier named Zena, who was injected with computer information that can be scanned to "retrieve all his vital data, like, 'This is Zena, Sherri's dog...' "

A few years back, Codrescu toured the country in the documentary "Road Scholar." For his next film, Codrescu is exploring cyberspace.

"It's a reality that most Americans are trying very hard to keep up with. And it seems at times to be a separate reality," he says. "Because in cyberspace, identity is under question. You don't know who's out there talking to you -- a man, a woman. Gender is questionable. Age is questionable. Most of the things we take for granted are relative in cyberspace.

"And so the purpose of this movie is to try to get a sense of what this new utopia is. For instance, you can go to mass in cyberspace now. You can go to a funeral in cyberspace -- you can join a funeral, an actual, live funeral in progress. So there is quite a new notion of what community means. And what people are is under question in cyberspace. That's right up my alley, because questions of identity, metaphor and reality fit right into what I think about."


The price of a Jew in Romania
"The first poem that I wrote was with the help of my mother. I was sitting at the kitchen table and I had a school assignment to write an ode to the Socialist Republic of Romania. I remember getting all the ideas for the lines and my mother finding the rhymes."

Andrei Codrescu was born in Sibiu, a small town with a medieval old quarter, in Romania's Transylvania region. Growing up in post-Holocaust Eastern Europe meant being only dimly aware of one's Jewish identity. Andrei was more conscious of his country's dictatorship and his own love of words.

"I came from a world where you could go to prison for writing a poem," he told an Atlanta audience. "Censors were some of our best readers."

At 19, he emigrated with his mother. The State of Israel paid $2,000 a head to the Romanian dictator for them. The immigration agency HIAS -- "which I think is the best Jewish organization of them all" -- settled them in Detroit.

That was 1966, and American youth was about to take to the streets. They found Andrei Codrescu ready to join the protests and the party.

"When I came to this country, the Vietnam war was in full bloom and I could have been drafted into the army," he says as his egg-drop soup is placed before him. "Citizenship takes a long time, but they can draft you when you get here."

So he enrolled in college to get a deferral from the army. "I didn't really let school get in the way of my education after that," he says, lowering his spoon to the bowl, "because it was a tremendously exciting time and my generation was on the move. There was a great deal of serious discontent in this country and the streets were a university every time you got out on them -- Oh this is great!"

The next 30 years was a journey, with stops in New York, San Francisco, Paris, Baltimore, Baton Rouge and, finally, New Orleans.

"I said somewhere that poetry is the art of being kidnapped by circumstances. I never had any plan," he says. "And I certainly liked it that way, because being a poet means discovering as you go along."

The watershed was 1983. That year, living in Baltimore, he founded a literary journal called Exquisite Corpse. And an NPR producer asked Codrescu to read for radio some commentaries he had written for the Baltimore Sun.

And so he entered the cadre of public radio superstars, the unlikely pantheon that includes Hudson Valley dog lover and children's book writer Daniel Pinkwater, Georgia primary school teacher and screened-porch philosopher Bailey White, and former cowboy and large animal veterinarian Baxter Black.
"Poetry is the art of being kidnapped by circumstances. I never had any plan."


New Orleans Stories: Great Writers On The City
Andre Codrescu
Book from Chronicle Books
Release date: July, 2004

A woman says:
"We'll all be underwater in 100 years..."
Her eyes drinking in.
The watery devastation.
Of a New Orleans grave.

Misplaced.
Displaced.
Amnesiac souls.
Us.
Humans.

Asahi and Ok Computer.
Keep me company.
Soothe my mind.
As the hurricane subsides.
From the disaster zone.
And dead that litter it.

Damn.
Descending again.
Drifting.
In.
Out.

Just fading, really.
Right now.
Into the devastation.
The river of tears.
The hum of a looters heartbeat.
And those bittersweet sounds.
Of icebergs melting...

Another boring Sunday; 2:45
I thought that I might do a cut and paste of Andre since I often listen to him on my only radio station of continual significance in my life. Time continues to accelerate as the wrinkles underneath the eyes multiply. I wake up wondering whether to go back to sleep, still waking up with the realization of our inevitability.
So you strive to do work as a panacea for this emptiness in your life that permeates you even more in the loneliness of the desert. Is your biggest fear missing out on some excitement going on in the rest of the world?....but then the sadness of what is happening to this country makes you even more depressed ...you fight off the paralyzing fatigue as you drink down your 2nd 20 0z cup of instant coffee and cocoa, the garvaldian blend that others might call a mocha??
to be continued but I need to think of a creative gift for my favorite special ed director's baby shower!!

10:30 Monday:
The usual prograstination before I finally disnii'sh (I am beginning to work)...
is the biggest vulnerability of someone with my level of ADD!

I have so many things to do, but I would rather talk to you for a few minutes, especially after the current love of my life tells me how beautiful I am. M wants to hold my shaved head in between her awaiting mammary glands. She wants me to stop by KC on the way back to my village...lol...
"I'll just hop a lear jet back to my desert airstrip at the foot of my backyard in front of my Mt. Serendipachi."
(I kissed her and she bit, but she made me feel so good after I climbed her.)

M gave me good news from Lillian, my favorite webmistress, can help me publish my book through the net with a special colored cover and in spiral for only $7.00 and only 3 cents a page after that! Wow to be a published novelist! We will have to find the meatiest and most humorous essay cutting down white anglo saxon rednecks and wannabee Stepford neighbors....that in itself sounds pretty meaty! (she rolls her eyes ;)

Thursday, September 01, 2005

Where's the National Guard??

Watching In Shock From Afar

BAGHDAD, Sept. 1, 2005
Katrina Hits La. GIs In Iraq
Capt. Terence Ryan of the Louisiana National Guard, on The Early Show Thursday (Photo: CBS/EARLY SHOW)

"I've been to (Operation) Desert Storm (in the first Gulf War) and deployed overseas prior to this, but this pretty much takes the cake."
Capt. Terence Ryan, Louisiana National Guard

(CBS) Soldiers from the Louisiana National Guard are in New Orleans, taking part in rescue and relief efforts in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

But nearly 3,000 of their comrades can't help. They're thousands of miles away, deployed in Iraq.

CBS News correspondent Lara Logan reports from Baghdad that many have lost their houses back home, and they're anxious about the safety of loved ones.

When they're not out on combat operations or doing their jobs in Iraq, Logan says, they've been glued to the TV, "watching in shock from afar."

One is Capt. Terence Ryan, who tells Logan, "We're still just looking at each other, goin', 'Is this really happening?' We know about it. We've seen pictures. But it really hasn't hit yet."

Ryan and his fellow soldiers from the Louisiana National Guard have endured a long and difficult year in Iraq and, says Logan, just as they were gearing up to go home, the disaster hit.

Asked if it's the most devastating thing that's ever happened to him, Ryan says, "Most definitely. I've been to (Operation) Desert Storm (in the first Gulf War) and deployed overseas prior to this, but this pretty much takes the cake."

Ryan was looking forward to being home in his newly-rebuilt house, but the whole parish of St. Bernard, where he lives, is now gone, and he's just relieved his family is safe.

"I saw some aerial photos of my house," he says. "The water's over the roof."

Noting that Ryan said that with a smile on his face, Logan says, "I know you're not smiling inside, though."

"No," Ryan says, "you're not smiling inside, but you just gotta — what can you do? You go home and you work through, day to day, whatever each day offers, and you take it and try to rebuild."

As grueling as their time in Iraq has been, Capt. Ryan says what they've learned there is patience. And that patience is helping them deal with the crisis back home.

Logan puts it simply: "No one would ever doubt your commitment to your mission here. You guys have been here a long time and made a lot of sacrifices. But, if you could choose where you could be right now, where would that be?"

"Most definitely being home with my family," Ryan says, "and helping the Louisiana soldiers, and the other soldiers from around the states, helping out with the tragedy back home."

The last few weeks are always a tough time of a deployment for soldiers, Logan says, but these will be especially tough for the Louisiana National Guard.

Friday in a wonderful orbit,
Our football team lost again and Mark said that he can't remember our team scoring since he came to this wonderful community. I feel so good about everything and wanted to at least chat with you knowing that you might be wondering about where I've been. I feel the land of enchantment so very often when I look at the stars, the sunsets, and the emerging moon hiding behind the clouds of the monsoons. It's finally wonderful knowing that I have computer access to all of you in cyberspace. I feel better about everything in this community than I have ever have before but I know how often everything appears to be great at the start... even the year that I had to deal with the children of the corn cheerleaders from Chickasha...they were continually making prank phone calls to my house the summer after that regrettable year ..it continued until one of the little darling forgot to dial *67 while they were over at the rich Noveu Riche jewelers home for a slumber party.

I always worry about the premonition of the worst happening instead of learning to enjoy the moment while we are here in this short span of life grateful that I am finally here almost thinking that I wouldn't even go that far. The paper work intimidates me the most. At this point it's actually getting work verification from 2 schools in order to get the states new license at level 2. It is a long tedious process of waiting for the renewal of the Oklahoma license in order to get the credit for 7 years of teaching in that great state or what.

I have done so much in the last month and relaying my new life or new orbit around the Okie Zone to Muffy. The electron has to get into an excited state before he jumps into that next orbit. Travel and new adventures makes me feel much younger than I really am sometimes! Fraulein Schmidt, my ballroom dance partner on Wednesday evening in town at the college, says I am emotionally much younger, when another slightly younger dancer (maybe only a couple of decades) was inquiring about me. (I'm sure M can also attest to emotional maturity since I'm the only adult in her life that she disrespects, and then reminding her that I'll be 60 in only a few months more than a decade!

I have been having these wonderful epiphenies about this move and the wonderful things I can do to really help these students. I want so badly to give a good impression and help these students more than I ever have. I feel that I can be such a wonderful asset to this community!
I only have 2 students now but I know that I can really reach them. We have a long way to go but I we have nowhere to go but better! I want to even try to start a creative writing class and especially help the chess club go to another state championship even though 4 seniors graduated last year. 3 of the 4 won Gates Millenium scholarships!

Well, it's 10 Pm on a Friday night and maybe I might be able to catch a few of my collegues before they go to bed. I have to get up early on Saturday for this class on the best way to safely deal with a violent students. (only 2 incidents this week, and I thought that I effectively handled them. I'll ask one student to write about the situation as a letter. I'll even help him write it and see if we might be able to lessen his consequence. Besides learning an effective social and psychologically healthy skill, he will learn to write effectively. Writing helped getting over the emotional trauma of redneck Bubbas for 2 decades in the deeply crimson O Zone ;)

Maybe I will catch you all later. It's funny how just even getting on this blog after a few weeks is like having a good heart to heart chat with a long lost gf.
Well, I guess I'll head back to Buffy. She's in her 3rd week of being in heat but at least she's not bleeding anymore. I don't want her to get pregnant yet.
I'm still a little paranoid that a few of my many enemies(?) or the normal backstabbing folks that would thouroughly enjoy seeing my demise might read this site and make an attempt to find out where I'm teaching. I still get those hangup calls no matter where I go almost like I can predict it so why give them that pleasure and not even answer the call or just put it on speaker until I hear a voice. I even wonder if those blokes on the www.hereinreality.com might cut and paste somethings from this site to the tagboard. That tagboard still is as hilarious as ever!
lata mates...
I want to tell you all so much more!

Saturday;
It's almost nice to relax and decide that I don't have to drive into the city 35 miles away and can relax in this almost utopic community. You think there is no such thing but on a percentage basis of cool places to live, if even for just a visit of a year while extending the orbit around the O Zone (Hey that's another cool name! ;), I might list this as one of the coolest places to live!
criteria??
1. Other teachers share the same views about politics.
2. One can criticize Bush without fear of violence or even subliminal hatred from closed minded Bubbamentalists.
3. Many of us walk to school...it's only about 1 to 3 tenths of a mile away!
4. A beautiful vista of the desert, wild desert flowers and cacti flowering after the "monsoons"
and being in the shadow of the mountains.
5. Many of us subconciously or conciously feel we are on a mission or missionaries without the Republican Jesus to telling us what to do!
6. The everchanging vistas as our sun fingerpaints our clouds after hiding behind our Serendipachi mountains. (no wonder so much romance and eventuall marriage seems to blossom in this place when other feel the enchantment together while holding hands watching the sunset).
7. There is a kind of loneliness that seems to permeate when sometimes you feel all alone in the desert kissing the feet of the mountains, but our few cul de sacs are almost intimately close, yet we can have privacy without our own perpective of the mountains in our back yard. It is easy to seek the comfort and companionship of others. (platonically of course, M)
8. When walking our dogs, we smile and talk sometime chat with our neighbors. ( canines are almost as part of a teacher's survival kit (?)

11. We can walk our dogs in our fenced in utopia, with relatively little fear of the fearsome petroleum monsters that rob of our money, territory, social lives and time!, besides killing our dogs and the poor puppies trying to survive on road kill by old highway 666. Most of us just walk rather than get in our cars when the most we might walk is about half of a mile to watch our undefeating football team.
9. Often when visiting other houses they invite us in and we have warm hospitality, chow and often tasty libations while pursuing topics as deep as the Medici's being either nobility or Noveu Riche when we get tired of bashing Bush.
10. You are able to enjoy the company of others with no worries about tipping the cold frigid bartendress.

lata mates!

Sunday 630 pm
Now I'm feeling a little down, sorry that M isn't here to enjoy the view of the mountain, as we relax in our daily lives, both enjoying the challenge of working together for a common mission.
I can see us both as teachers in different schools. Our friends come visit us for the adventure of exploring some Anistase ruins. We visit and entertain the guests in our small home while cooking the most delicious fish on the grill and various dishes for our guests to enjoy together.
Buffy greets the guests in our quaint humble home. We go back and soak together in the warm metal tub warmed by the fire in the hole. We have a glass of wine while looking at the dark sky illuminated by the half moon and stars.
We enjoy the country desert vibe together and assimilate the philosophy of the culture.

So what causes depression for me??

Waking from the dreams of so much happiness ...

Feeling sorry that other folks are enjoying things while you are letting so many fun chances to fill your DVD pass you by, if only for a chance visit,

you miss all these chances
to hold hands while we see the sun hide behind the mountains,
before She paints our skies as all our ancestors cherished these views
adding to the world's exapanding consiousness


Tuesday:

Sometimes, I want to write to you wondering what's going on in your mind. How your life is compared to mine. I have no idea how many readers that I have now. If I knew more, it would almost motivate me to write a whole bunch more. Some of my readers, even the angry ones may send a comment. I am actually feeling thoughtful.


In this beautifully desolate desert, I contemplate my own future and destiny, wondering if wonderful things are in store for us (Buffy, me and maybe someone else). The desolation does cause me to do a great deal of thinking. I am still so happy that I took the plunge and I'm immersing myself into this culture while still having the safety and almost santity of the teacheridge. All of us share this campus (maybe 100 acres(?) with the elementary, middle and high schools)... this little village within a small village. We walk our dogs and visit with our neighbors, folks from all over the world, Russians, Phillipines, Navaho's, peace corp travellers, Australian blooded, etc....

The sun peaks into my portable trailer opening the doors to knowledge. I wonder if I can be their guide to what the rest of the world is about. I want to help them to give faith in their own lives while I also look for guidance in my own search for the person that I want be happiest with.

It's been two weeks and I'm immersing myself while still taking care of the little items that sometimes seem to bog me down.

1. Finish getting verifications of work

2. Call the state department for my Oklahoma license and see if the renewal is on the way.

3. Take everything to Personell with a bunch of flowers for the lady who's been helping me get it all together. I've had to visit her a few times still not getting all of it right as far as the proper licence and get credit for the seven years in the great state or what?

4. call the health clinic in KC to finally get another refill of addaboy. I've made those pills stretch a whole year almost!

5. Make good, efficient and effective lesson plans especially working with the young men on violence prevention skills (don't visit redneck bars in Oklahoma!)

6. Make sure that I'm getting the right foods so that I can even learn to cook a little bit and even share my delicasies(??) with the neighbors

"White man from town"; Thursday 11:43
I just finished chatting with Muffy. It would be so nice for her to be here but she thinks about what a mess my spartan place already is! When I move into the other villa with a view of my Serendipachi mountain in my backyard, Ill make a point of keeping it as clean and uncluttered as I can for her. I know how she feels about clutter!

Today has been an ok day. I hope to make a real difference in these children's lives!
I need to get some sleep!

Thursday 10:40 Sometimes, I want to talk to you so bad but the paranoia that someone will find out about the blog at school and then maybe they already do?? They might stare at you a few seconds longer like the alkeys at Henry Hudsons (Muffy says that Im more productive because there isn't a corner pub to distract you!)
I felt so good that I have actually accomplished alot this weeks. I'm prooving to myself that I can do so many things. I feel that I've barely skimmed the surface of my deep knowledge of talent. There are so many things that I have done that I need to share with the world.
This has been a long week without the students. They are not showing up since the funeral. I felt more a part of the community yet still a total outsider. I'm beginnning to know more about the culture. One of the parents of a disruptive student is a medicine man and he warmed up to me after being a little angry in defense of his son. He was telling me that he went to the school and could have been in the olympics in the mile. I'm excited about him coming to see my kids!

I've done so much this week. I felt that I wrote a kick ass lesson plan along with an article about dealing with loss. I was prepared to talk to the kids and still will about learning to deal with this vacuum. I was saying to Betty Lou, my assistant and another grandma who was subbing for my class how I learned to give to others (students) as a way to heal and get my mind off my own misery.
These poor children here have so many heart breaks. I feel that I can reach them sometimes and that is what makes us want to go on!
I wrote 2 IEPS about students that I haven't even met yet and I sat in to watch the Iep expert from town handle a meeting. Laura has been especially nice to me and gave a wonderful compliment to McBeth about how well written my Ieps were. It made me feel good the way I attacked those documents on the computer so efficiently! It took me about 3 hours each.


a year later

My political viewpoint is
Posted by NB Staff on August 25, 2006 - 15:15.
Conservative all around

54% (768 votes)
Libertarian conservative

31% (440 votes)
Social conservative

4% (57 votes)
Libertarian

3% (39 votes)
Moderate

5% (72 votes)
Liberal

1% (11 votes)
Leftist

0% (5 votes)
Paleoconservative

1% (18 votes)
Other

2% (25 votes)
Total votes: 1435
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rhayes Says:
August 26, 2006 - 00:50
Another idiotic rant by crazed, err... rhayes.

Is that neocon logic or just an imitation of the hot air personalities of fox?

I guess when folks on this site start losing arguments they call them lunatic libs as if that helps their argument more?? I guess if this were on TV you would be just talking over me louder like Ohannity does so well, so the poor lib victim can't get a word in edgewise.

"you can have the last word"

and Oreilly interupts him and never lets him speak.

Maybe you haven't noticed but the US National Debt has been rising for DECADES, and there is no reason to believe it will EVER be going down, and it doesn't need to, since we keep GROWING

yeah, no worries, mate! we wont have to ever pay. our kids and their kids will! neocon logic is hilarious!

or is that the american logic , buy now , we can alway pay later. If we can't we'll just claim bankruptcy. no worries!

ps. watch, another addition to the neocon definition- when a fox neocon starts losing , they add more insults and then cut them off or try by telling to shut up.

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SportPolitics Says:
August 26, 2006 - 00:46
well rhayes, now will you shutup- or make a fool of yourself some more ?

Don't answer. I already know the answer.

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SportPolitics Says:
August 26, 2006 - 00:45
If libertarains thought you'd be right rhayes, they would cheer:

rhayes in his crazed over the top rhetoric idiot spew>[ nothing will go for social services , nothing will go to the people for their humongus taxes ]

You're out of control rhayes.

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SportPolitics Says:
August 26, 2006 - 00:43
rhayes, once again you haven't a clue...

Big Business is 20% of the US economy.

That means 80% is NOT.

Get your moronic liberal talking points in line with reality sometime in the near future, will you ?

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rhayes Says:
August 26, 2006 - 00:42
congrats , sport, you win some fry bread! one neocon name gets buried verses a thousand so called "libs". I wondered whatever happened to him?

I thought that the unwritten (?) rules of the site never pertained to him.

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SportPolitics Says:
August 26, 2006 - 00:40
Another idiotic rant by crazed, err... rhayes.

Maybe you haven't noticed but the US National Debt has been rising for DECADES, and there is no reason to believe it will EVER be going down, and it doesn't need to, since we keep GROWING.

Only the very lowest of the senseless haven't figured that much out yet.

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rhayes Says:
August 26, 2006 - 00:39
I mean aren't conservatives and republicans all about beating out the little guys and hoarding money and stuff.

exactly! couldnt have said it better myself.

Oh and shopping at Walmart who beats up moms and pops.. but again if they beat up all the mom and pop operation then who is left to shop there? If mom and pop stores used to cater to all the little guys where did the little guys go?

yeah how did we possibly exist when little folks had their own businesses. back in the good ole days when there weren't multinational news media station to tell you what to believe in..when the little man got something back from the government for his a much smaller amount paid in taxes

back when politicians won the elections fairly without a media station to brainwashed by...how did the little man exist??

or did they turn into bug guys who are now meanie heads who stomp on? who exactly?

??? translation please?? back when rich folks actually knew how to write!

But no matter I'm rich I'm rich I'm really really rich. ahh!


~lbcdawn Religion is about doing. Christianity is about done.

congratulations on having lots of money. Thats what its all about here, aint it?

and maybe explain that quote that you throw in too?? does that mean blessed are the rich??

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SportPolitics Says:
August 26, 2006 - 00:32
You lose again moron rhayes.

Karl Rove.

You also tried to change your tune, you were wrong then and you're wrong again.

I'm not your mate, and never will be, either.

Most idiot liberals are smarter than you, they aren't here, and never have been. Think about it.

Don't worry crybaby, you'll have more hater friends to lie and obfuscate, and be incorrect, along with you soon.

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rhayes Says:
August 26, 2006 - 00:29
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black

Didnt I say this old line yesterday ?? Im flattered.

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rhayes Says:
August 26, 2006 - 00:23



That's it for now, but if you have an actual rebuttal concerning my correcting of your stupidity when it comes to the number of liberals here or this sites purpose, instead of a ranting confabulation, let me know.

My dog, Buffy, has more intelligence than you sport! (uh, I just responded back with an insult to your thousand insults. I guess that gets a neocon version of a lib on this site banned , so that now less than 1 percent will be allowed to air their views)

as ive told you before,mate, most libs get banned on this site because they are not saints and when a feeding frenzy starts, they sometimes insult back. Under the double neocon standard,they get banned. Neocons are allowed to stay since they were the ones sending the letters complaining to their brothers in charge. A succesful nazicon genocide of the liberal species! Goebbels would be proud!

as long as you aren't indoctrinating or molesting the children.

a poor lib would get banned for making a remark like that but name me a neocon that gets banned from this site and I'll sell you some fry bread!

keep gettin indoctrinated by Fox! Rupert would be proud!

lata sport!

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rhayes Says:
August 26, 2006 - 00:04


Hence my disappointment in the present Congress and administration in not doing more to pay down the national debt so that we can get an even larger tax break in the future by dispensing with the 15% of outlays that go to financing the debt (interest

way to go , unsane! first criticism of this "great" neocon administration I've seen from you!

so we are going to reduce taxes still and america will paying this debt for this stupid war (to profit the good oil boy network and Hallibut) till year 3000! ...so our future taxes will continue to increase the military because might makes right, nothing will go for social services , nothing will go to the people for their humongus taxes but we'll still have the most powerful military in the world!

our taxes will be paying a thousand year mortgage! That sure makes neocon sense!


"Moderat ion is the key to and long and healthy life!" anonymous moderate centenarian born during the Teddy Roosevelt ( the great national park conservative )administration

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MikeB Says:
August 25, 2006 - 23:46
Yo, hater....baaaaaa!


"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan

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pbdmiller Says:
August 25, 2006 - 23:13
"You blokes are so hyporcritical it's funny!"

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Sheesh.

Peace through superior firepower, baby, yeah! (no violence mentioned here)

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sarcasmo Says:
August 25, 2006 - 23:07
What's wrong with making fun of hater? He lies, so I get to make fun of him!
JMR

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lbcdawn Says:
August 25, 2006 - 23:07
I don't know what your problem is I just found out I'm rich I'm rich I'm very very rich! After all I send my kids to a private school and I am FOR vouchers.. but newsflash my kids are not in an accredited school sooo I would most likely be ineligible for the vouchers. But ooh ooh I'm rich I'm rich I'm rich.. I wonder if I can take that to the bank?

WHat I want to know is since I am so rich and a meanie headed conservative who wants to keep there money and not do humanitarian like things then why do I want vouchers? Wouldn't I really just want to keep the good education for my own children thereby disallowing the *poor* to have good stuff. I mean aren't conservatives and republicans all about beating out the little guys and hoarding money and stuff. Oh and shopping at Walmart who beats up moms and pops.. but again if they beat up all the mom and pop operation then who is left to shop there? If mom and pop stores used to cater to all the little guys where did the little guys go? or did they turn into bug guys who are now meanie heads who stomp on? who exactly?

But no matter I'm rich I'm rich I'm really really rich. ahh!


~lbcdawn Religion is about doing. Christianity is about done.

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mikecali80 Says:
August 25, 2006 - 23:04
I'm a Larry Elder conservative so i checked libertarian conservative. You know I just love it when liberals are out of power and they run their mouths about the debt. Of course they know as conservatives, these republicans in congress are going against our principles by spending like drunken sailors but I will tell you what if the liberals were in power.

It would only be worse they love expanding government their just mad they dont have their administration. Can somebody from the left please explain to me why we keep hearing about Reagan running up the defecit when every single one but one he proposed was below what the budget The liberal government passed. As what was once said when he was in power the bills he sent up were dead on arrival. As far as Clinton balancing the budget please nice try he did it under a republican congress that passed the bill for him to sign. I agree that spending is out of control but we all know the only answer you will ever get from democrats is slash our defense down to nothing abolish the military come up with department of the peace to solve foriegn affairs and raise taxes. Please Hayes stop insulting our intelligence with your daily talking lines from dailybs and moveonpleaseyoulost.org

The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
Ronald Reagan

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SportPolitics Says:
August 25, 2006 - 23:02
because: "Beware of the Military Industrial Complex !"

The lib has turned the warning into a visionary bake sale fund.

Spending on education has vastly increased under President George W Bush, but don't expect the idiot liberal to ever admit it. BDS requires hatred, lies, and stupidity, and of course results in increasing the power of revulsion the average American feels when he or she hears the word " liberal". I know firsthand.

"Moderation is the key to a long and healthy life" - the Bible

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RJ Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:59
rhayes does plagiarize a lot, Sport, and he did it again just above Unsane's post. It's easy to recognize when he plagiarizes, because the IQ goes up considerably.

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Unsane Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:53
From a t-shirt I saw one time: "Kill a commie for your mommy."

That sums up my views towards communists!

"The vice of capitalism is that there is an unequal share of the blessings; the virtue of socialism is that there is an equal share of the misery." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)

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lbcdawn Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:52
well see its like this if I put my ear really really close and listen really really carefully.. lol Actually its not an old book its the Word of God!

I took sarcs quiz and it put me as a conservative.. how surprising.

~lbcdawn Religion is about doing. Christianity is about done.

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SportPolitics Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:52
I'm just wondering where rhayes plagiarized that post from. Wiki ever let us know ?

Oh, that's right, his definition is that childish lunatic version that says conservatives are never open to ideas and then add the hateful rhetoric.

Anyone else notice how many citations are needed at wiki for their paleo-c definition ? lol


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JAB Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:49
Unsane, I can agree with that, but if they (any visitors) had half a brain cell they can see the ineptitude (from the left (for them most part)) for themselves as we have and make decisions based on that.

Foot note to Bal, your better than that last congenial statement.

Too Bad Ignorance isn't painful, to the ignorant!

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Free Stinker Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:46
I will not been mean to moderates.

I will not been mean to moderates.

I will not been mean to moderates.

I will not been mean to moderates.

I will not been mean to moderates.

AARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!

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balboa Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:39
Now you know how I feel! :-p

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tumbler Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:37
Hate is a verb. You ought to know the word is hatred, not hate. If you understood English you'd deserve a better job somewhere.

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tumbler Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:33
rhayes' version of the facts: "They can control the masses and believe lies better if the proletariat are ignorant and uneducated."

It really has the old Commintern ring to it, doesn't it? "The masses"". ''Proletariat''.

Why don't you add the derogatory "lumpenproletariat" to your tirade? You would be the better Stalinist for it. Go all the way, hayesie

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RJ Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:32
That's childish and full of hate, rhayes, but then you're childish and full of hate, so it doesn't surprise me.

While moonbat is a pejorative, neocon is a political label. Are you capable of posting a grownup definition of neocon?

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Unsane Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:32
My apologies...but in this battle, I cannot stand idly by and let blind propaganda go by unanswered and unattacked. Not to change rhayes' delusions, but for other readers of this site who may be passing through.

"The vice of capitalism is that there is an unequal share of the blessings; the virtue of socialism is that there is an equal share of the misery." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)

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SportPolitics Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:31
BTW rhayes, the reason "liberal" is considered almost a swearword by the vast majority of the American populace is because the liberal democrats have taken looney positions on so many issues and have been contradicting themselves and lying their fool heads off for too long, and have acquired that stereotype through their own dishonesty and ignorance and stupidity.

Take for instance your stupid raging rant about liberals being at a 1% vote because they get banned here, and compare your stupidity to my analysis. The very first thing any non-moron realizes is the liberal won't be a common rat at a site that exposes liberal bias in the media. You failed even that, being of course, a raging liberal loon, who, just as anyone knows, had to play the liberal democrat victim card, instead of displaying a single shred of common sense. It didn't take Rush Limbaugh or Fox News to tell me this, I saw it firsthand. You've only helped shred a bit more any sort of credibility "the liberals" have left. No matter what "you hate" whine you enter into, I have seen the direct evidence of your palpably ignorant foolishness, and irresponsive refusal to acknowledge the error, if you even can muster the sobriety to recognize it as such.

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Unsane Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:29
closeminded ignorance. They only desire to hear one side of the news (ie fox) and close off all other sources. Care to explain why I give equal time to CBC, BBC, and foreign sources that make no bones about being biased like The Economist? Speaking of closeminded ignorance, you have yet to explain your fear of ONE news channel out of MANY who itself has a multitude of Leftists on its payroll to balance out the Rightists.

They claim to be fiscally conservative but in the same breath believe that we should spend all our future generations money on war while cutting back on everything else that helps the people especially education. You have no idea how LITTLE we spend on defense, compared to other countries. But then, what else can I expect of one that is spoiled (not by your upbringing) by the economy and freedoms he enjoys?

Defense DOES help people. If it didn't, you would be teaching in Russian, German, or some other language, and you would know the true meaning of tyranny. I have fed far more people than you have, and that is because I have worked aircraft taking food and supplies to victims of disasters. No thanks necessary.

Throwing money at education might fatten your paycheck but it doesn't magically turn out better students. If this were the case, then the DC schools should be, by your logic, turning out a vast army of Einsteins, Mozarts, and Flemings - but instead they are turning out functional illiterates. Care to explain this? I can go on and on about education - I am working on a bit of a "thesis" on the subject - but I would crash the server in doing so.

They can control the masses and believe lies better if the proletariat are ignorant and uneducated. Proof positive of you attacking the Right for what the Left is doing, and has been doing for years. Who do you think has been running education for the past half-century? Not conservatives, and surely not people who have any interest in teaching people to critically think and think for themselves.

The rich can send their children to private schools so they believe in school vouchers. Again with your intense, overwhelming, passionate hatred of ANYONE who dares make a dime more than you! What, rhayes, are you bent because you think you should be treated like a multi-trillionaire for doing humantarian work that you knew going in did not pay all that well. As for school vouchers and private schools: we NEED competition in order to make you lazy, incompetent teachers actually WORK at TEACHING students for a change! (If you are already doing this you have nothing to fear, no?)

This country should shove democracy down the throats of countries that are not ready for it - you racist. Were the Japanese and Koreans "not ready" for democracy in the 1940s and 1950s? Why is democracy only good enough for you? but tighten up the reigns of our own freedom in this country under the guise of the patriot act. I for one would like to see an example of this. They won't be happy until they have full control of the media and only allow the government's spin on everything. Your parroting skills are amazing. Too bad they aren't matched by critical thinking skills, because clearly in your case they are nonexistent.

Say! If you hate government control of the media, I take it you fully back the full privatizing of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, right?


"The vice of capitalism is that there is an unequal share of the blessings; the virtue of socialism is that there is an equal share of the misery." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)

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tumbler Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:28
"my definition of neocon-

closeminded ignorance. They only desire to hear one side of the news (ie fox) and close off all other sources. They claim to be fiscally conservative but in the same breath believe that we should spend all our future generations money on war while cutting back on everything else that helps the people especially education. They can control the masses and believe lies better if the proletariat are ignorant and uneducated." Only a cretin would dare stae this baloney as if it had credence. Yet you wonder why you have to ''defend yourself". --Oh, Boy!

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tumbler Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:26
You are welcome and OK if you're defending yourself. Nobody bans you for that.

But stating your typical Democrat talking points and made-up "facts" as if you speak the truth to a lot of ruffians and blockheads will only get you a large helping of raspberries. Just what you're deserving of. Be a straight arrow, no one will have you "defending" the tripe.

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RJ Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:26
Hey rhayes. Unless I'm wrong, didn't you say you just visited Australia for a few months but you're not from there? If that's the case, why the constant "mates" and "blokes"?

It reminds me of Madonna affecting a phony English accent shortly after moving there. Are you the NewsBuster's Madonna, rhayes?

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Free Stinker Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:16

If this place is so terrible why do you come here?

Do you have masochistic tendancies? Or do you enjoy being educated in history, economics, and logic?

Since we're so awfull, we'll just have to stop replying to you and offending your tender feelings.


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pbdmiller Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:08
Don't step in a land mine!

Peace through superior firepower, baby, yeah!

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Unsane Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:07
It's too cut-and-dried, really. I don't get too worked up about the social issues, but when it comes to money, I am an uncompromising fiscal conservative. Hence my disappointment in the present Congress and administration in not doing more to pay down the national debt so that we can get an even larger tax break in the future by dispensing with the 15% of outlays that go to financing the debt (interest).

And since I believe - no, KNOW - that the United States is a force for good in the world - I always push for the United States to have a strong military, just in case diplomacy fails (it normally does) and force is needed to resolve an issue. Unlike some Leftists, I know violence can and does solve many problems and while distasteful, it should be done if needed.

"The vice of capitalism is that there is an unequal share of the blessings; the virtue of socialism is that there is an equal share of the misery." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)

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SportPolitics Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:03
lol- poor rhayes - at least he is not on US soil for the better part of the day.

In other words I was correct in my analysis, and rhayes whined he feels hated, even though he was also absolutely incorrect.

1% rhayes, and BTW the jobs educating the disadvantaged here are rolled over 5 times a year. I suppose the only place you could actually secure a permanent one is on a reservation. I also suspect you aren't even a US citizen now, or perhaps an angry Ward Churchill type, or ward of some claimed to be opressed tribe. Glad you at least found a group to work with that won't easily prove their wits outmatch yours. When you tell me you recieve no pay for your job, I'll give you some humanitarian credit, as long as you aren't indoctrinating or molesting the children.

That's it for now, but if you have an actual rebuttal concerning my correcting of your stupidity when it comes to the number of liberals here or this sites purpose, instead of a ranting confabulation, let me know.

PS- Nice raging left loon quip about Rush since you felt that suddenly you'd achieve credibility by not mentioning Fox News. roflmao - pathetic !

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rhayes Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:03
Hey rhayes! Let's see your definition of "neocon". No stupid cracks, just YOUR definition of neocon. Betcha you can't do it.


my definition of neocon-

closeminded ignorance. They only desire to hear one side of the news (ie fox) and close off all other sources. They claim to be fiscally conservative but in the same breath believe that we should spend all our future generations money on war while cutting back on everything else that helps the people especially education. They can control the masses and believe lies better if the proletariat are ignorant and uneducated. The rich can send their children to private schools so they believe in school vouchers.

This country should shove democracy down the throats of countries that are not ready for it , but tighten up the reigns of our own freedom in this country under the guise of the patriot act. They won't be happy until they have full control of the media and only allow the government's spin on everything.

I'll continue later but I'm taking my dog for a walk to see the beautiful sunset go over the mountains of the Rez!

lata mates! ;)

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JAB Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:58
LET'S ALL quite feeding the "hater" troll and get back to the thread subject, it's past his bedtime anyway.

Too Bad Ignorance isn't painful, to the ignorant!

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JAB Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:55
Hey short timer, you never answered my question earlier and I made sure my cloaking devise was turned off before I posted.

Too Bad Ignorance isn't painful, to the ignorant!

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Ten7s Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:55
If you don't like this site, then let me be the first to invite you to leave. And like I said before, quit plagiarizing.

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Unsane Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:54
Wouldn't it be nice if we had to have a bake sale to buy bombs?? rhayes, I KNOW after reading this you will be a hit among the citizens of Carthage. Why not go there and tell their government this amazing wisdom? I will fully cover your round-trip airfare. (apologies to Heinlein)

He wouldn't kiss the asses of corporations and the military especially since he was a general himself Thanks for the straight-up admission that you hate me, others in the military who post here, and those, past and present, who have worked tirelessly (and perhaps at the cost of their own life) to guarantee your freedom to post such Leftist idealist tripe.

"The vice of capitalism is that there is an unequal share of the blessings; the virtue of socialism is that there is an equal share of the misery." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)

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rhayes Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:50
plagiarizing!!

I only added to your list!

I don't regurgitate the fox spinmeisters (liars) like most of you do on your site.

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rhayes Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:48
Many liberals advocate a greater degree of government interference in the free market, often in the form of anti-discrimination laws, civil service examinations, universal education, and progressive taxation

I also don't agree with increasing taxation and spending especially on the military. I am fiscally conservative,(Aussies are famous for being tight) but spending money on education should be our priority. Wouldn't it be nice if we had to have a bake sale to buy bombs??

Eisenhower was the last true old line conservative that I really liked. He wouldn't kiss the asses of corporations and the military especially since he was a general himself. He knew what was happening was happening with the corruption in the military. He was a visionary.



"Moderat ion is the key to and long and healthy life!" anonymous moderate centenarian born during the Teddy Roosevelt ( the great national park conservative )administration

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Ten7s Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:41
Quit plagiarizing, rhayes. And if you don't understand, look it up...

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pbdmiller Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:40
"Yep, I do care about humanity." (as long as there are no conservatives involved, right?)

"I wouldn't be teaching special ed and emotionally disturbed kids on a reservation if I didn't. "(Congratulations- you are humanitarian of the year! Keep up the good work since no one cares more than you)

"I wonder what the incidence of heart attacks and strokes is among hate filled angry neocons" ( Just can't stop caring. When is the last time you had YOUR ticker checked?)

Peace through superior firepower, baby, yeah! (no mention of violence here)

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JAB Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:40
Hey rhayes, were you not invited here by a poster by the name of "hater" on another site to disrupt this site (what number are your members up to now)?

See, you and your fellow "haters" have been exposed here and we know what the scoop is and where your motives lye - your time may be limited here.

Too Bad Ignorance isn't painful, to the ignorant!

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bigtimer Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:38
my, my, my, rhayes...you are my sunshine....you do good work...pat on head to ya!

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rhayes Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:36
If they respond and behaved with insults the way many angry neocons do on on this site they Bal and the few other token "libs" would have been banned along time ago.... What right winger has ever been banned from here for his/her insults?

even Mathew enjoys insulting the "lunatic left" and getting a kick out of making fun of hater

You blokes are so hyporcritical it's funny!

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rhayes Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:31

Said the caring lover of humanity. Thank you and God bless you. Peace through superior firepower, baby, yeah!

Yep, I do care about humanity. I wouldn't be teaching special ed and emotionally disturbed kids on a reservation if I didn't.

They are very angry too and I question their anger. I encourage one student to take it out his hostilities in football rather than violence. His blood pressure is already high and he's only 17.

I wonder what the incidence of heart attacks and strokes is among hate filled angry neocons especially ones that mention God and violence in the same breath.

Aren't they just like the angry Moslem fundamentalists filled with hate too??

they mention God and violence in the same breath too!

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pbdmiller Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:29
Thank God for small favors.

Peace through superior firepower, baby, yeah!

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bigtimer Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:27
rhayes...you are my sunshine!

Thanks! Thank all your buddies too...you keep my side of the aisle in the majority!

I count on you and your ilk!

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pbthinker Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:25
Well, I'm not a "kill a commie for Christ" Conservative, but I'm a Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Conservative.



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bigtimer Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:23
sarc! I can't believe this! I was looking for a place to ask you if you still had that quiz for some people to take to see how they fared...I loved it for the most part! It was definitely me!

Glad you posted it again!


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pbdmiller Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:21
emotionally disturbed closeminded neocons

You and others only add to the polarity of america

you only appear to clone the other neocons that preach hate

the lies and hate that your site represents

Said the caring lover of humanity. Thank you and God bless you.

Peace through superior firepower, baby, yeah!

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rhayes Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:16




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sarcasmo Says:
August 25, 2006 - 20:55
I believe it was David Nolan (ancient incarnations of the chart were called "the Nolan Chart."). One of the interesting things about the chart is how-willing the Advocates for Self-Government (which are to the Libertarians as Brookings is to Democrats & as Heritage is to Republicans -- all politically-owned thinktanks) have been to change and adapt the questions shaping the chart, in a continuing effort to gain accuracy often even when it came at the expense of libertarian political rhetoric, and despite seemingly constant accusations that it's deliberately-inaccurate/biased somehow. Anyway, just having a personal freedom axis & an economic freedom axis is an enormous leap forward compared to a braindead left-right line, because the quiz makes people actually think for themselves politically, instead of focusing on looks/personality/speaking-style/etc. which is much-easier than that nasty thinking-stuff. It would be interesting if this site posted a multi-quiz with dots for each of us, as it's easy to say where mine would be (the apex) but the rest of the shotgun-pattern like distribution is invariably an interesting surprise...
JMR

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we are not amused Says:
August 25, 2006 - 20:41
I think that the diamond shaped chart was invented by Dr. Jerry Pournelle, it was in an article he wrote in mid "80's. I don't have the article anymore, so perhaps he was discussing what someone else had come up with. The article made clear however that a proper chart would be very complex and have more that two axis. It is a very interesting exercise however.

I am firmly a Conservative Libertarian, and have been for as long as I have been politicaly aware.


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RJ Says:
August 25, 2006 - 19:52
All this incessent childish whining about "censorship" and "banning" rhayes. But how do you explain your existence on this site? You insult and attack, yet here you are.

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RJ Says:
August 25, 2006 - 19:35
Hey rhayes! Let's see your definition of "neocon". No stupid cracks, just YOUR definition of neocon. Betcha you can't do it.

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sarcasmo Says:
August 25, 2006 - 19:29
Something mindless seems to be going-on...
JMR

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Free Stinker Says:
August 25, 2006 - 19:28

And when was Bal banned from this site?

Oh, that's right, he has manners. Better manners than some of the Conservative like me. But, do the facts matter to you? (I already know the answer)


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Conservative in the Arts Says:
August 25, 2006 - 19:27
how can a 2,000 year old book tell you how to vote?

:)

I got to explain to a friend how someone could be a single issue voter. He could not really understand how anyone could do it. I gave abortion as the example and said that if a canidate lined up with my moral values on abortion, I could most likely trust that his values will line up with mine on other topics. Now that there are so many things out there it's not so easy to be a single issue voter anymore. But the way to say: "I vote the bible" would be the best way to be a single issue voter. And libs hate that kind of single issue voter!

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rhayes Says:
August 25, 2006 - 19:26
Neoconservatives - Bill Kristol, Francis Fukuyama, et. al., social and fiscal moderates, foreign policy idealists, George Bush , Fox news, Rush Limbaugh, Anne coulter

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SportPolitics Says:
August 25, 2006 - 19:26
Gee dummy rhayes- it couldn't be that .... about 1% of liberals think the media has a liberal bias, could it be ?

Exposing and Combatting Liberal Media Bias

I guess I should pray for more raging lunatic liberals to start noticing the massive liberal bias in the media this site points out, so they can come here and make themselves completely agreeable with the entire reason for this site's existence.

Hey, you're a liberal freak rhayes, and you're here, do you agree with most all of the exposing of the liberal media bias this site points out ? It doesn't seem you do, so why the heck are you here, to bust our balls ? You here to start fights and get in our faces ? Oh yeah, that is why you are here. I guess the rest of the libs think you're a freak too since they aren't here, or they agree with this site's information, and are afraid to admit it.

Well, any which way, I'll hope more liberals wake up and realize how liberally slanted the MSM is and then they can come here and have a good basis for getting along instead of creating friction and destroying any sort of comraderie, like hater and his fantasy site destroyers have been trying to do.

You know rhayes, yesterday you whined that this site doesn't point out Fox News conservative bias, as if it was it's duty to do so. It's crazy crap like that, that makes me think you're several bricks shy of a full load, besides the idiotic initial premise you bandied about that elicited this response.

A few other big reasons the votes are so low for liberals.

1. Most liberals dare not admit they are liberals today. They know it's almost considered a swearword by the vast majority of the American populace.

2. Most liberals would be raging, ranting, raving lunatics filled with hate, and cussing up a storm with a few minutes of reading on this site. I suspect that is exactly what happens to most of them, and they slam shut their webbrowser and storm off cursing, never to even post here.

3. The rest of them are like hater, they are liberal freaks filled with hate and could care less how correct this site actually is, all they want to do is attack people here basically for their percieved support of President Bush, which most liberals have an insane obssession over.

So, get a clue rhayes. Or, nevermind, you're a liberal, so my expectation is exactly ZERO.

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rhayes Says:
August 25, 2006 - 19:25
abusive behavior- neocon defintion- being a "leftist" and defending yourself

but insults from the far right are totally acceptable, hence the large proportion and tiny amount of closet "liberals"


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Conservative in the Arts Says:
August 25, 2006 - 19:20
What many Liberals refuse to acknowledge is that any tax on any business is eventually passed on to the public that buys their products. So, It only makes what we buy more expensive and the only ones that gain from this is the government.

By the way, After reading your little sandbox list, which one are you? My guess is Boil. St. Jimmy and Fatesweb and the father are all just too self destructing to try anything close to a real debate.

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rhayes Says:
August 25, 2006 - 19:19
and you thought neocon was mindless name calling?

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rhayes Says:
August 25, 2006 - 19:09
[T]he neocons are heavily influenced by Woodrow Wilson, with perhaps a hint of Theodore Roosevelt...They believe in an aggressive U.S. presence practically everywhere, and in the spread of democracy around the world, by force if necessary....Neoconservatives tend to want more efficient government agencies; paleoconservatives want fewer government agencies. [Neoconservatives] generally admire President Franklin Delano Roosevelt and his heavily interventionist New Deal policies. Neoconservatives have not exactly been known for their budget consciousness, and you won’t hear them talking about making any serious inroads into the federal apparatus.[1]

Many liberals advocate a greater degree of government interference in the free market, often in the form of anti-discrimination laws, civil service examinations, universal education, and progressive taxation. This philosophy frequently extends to a belief that the government should provide for a degree of general welfare, including the dole for the poor, housing for the homeless, and medical care for the sick. Such publicly-funded initiatives and interferences in the market are rejected by modern advocates of classical liberalism, which emphasizes free private enterprise, individual property rights and freedom of contract; classical liberals hold that economic inequality, as arising naturally from competition in the free market, does not justify the violation of private property rights. However, modern advocates of classical liberalism do advocate a heavier taxation on the corporation, as opposed to the current trend of the burden of income tax resting on the shoulders of the individual worker, as did the early classical liberals.

I dont agree with welfare and especially corporate welfare but I do agree with universal health care. Too many folks have been bankrupted by health bills especially after they couldnt afford health insurance or couldnt even qualify!

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sarcasmo Says:
August 25, 2006 - 19:08
Thanks (especially for the "Each"!). Actually, the NB editors have been quite mature about my continued existence here, despite my disagreements with various conservatives here on various issues. What Bal & I do here, though, is obviously different from what hater did, or we'd deserve to be booted, too...
JMR

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sarcasmo Says:
August 25, 2006 - 19:01
Crap. Obviously we needed 10 choices, and chances are Neocons would be as "honest" as the leftists here obviously-are, at 0% so-far. (7PM EST Friday.)
JMR

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Free Stinker Says:
August 25, 2006 - 18:59

. . . as if they weren't removed for abusive behavior.

If disagreeing would get you booted, Balboa & Sarcasmo would have been banned 500 times. Each.

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Chris Norman Says:
August 25, 2006 - 18:58
I'm a Conservative with Libertarian leanings. I'm also a Conservative who is getting fed up with a lot of the so-called Conservatives that we sent to Washington and who forgot that they were supposed to be Conservatives. As a good Republican, I will vote, once again, for these so-called Conservatives, and hope for the best, because the alternative is too awful to think about. Sheesh.

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

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sarcasmo Says:
August 25, 2006 - 18:56
(The fact that NB editors gave us 9 choices speaks volumes, IMO -- & take a wild guess how I self-labeled, but...) this blog post proves the need for me once-again to link to this quiz. Trying to describe humanity politically isn't easily done by a diamond-shaped chart, but the crappy little chart beats the living daylights out of a simpleminded left-right line -- even if a Libertarian politician invented it.
JMR

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rhayes Says:
August 25, 2006 - 18:56
Why not have an honest poll and include Neoconservative verses just Republican??

1% liberal. That makes sense. 1/100! hmmmm, maybe because they usually get excommunicated from this site!

and this explains why there are so few "liberal" comments on here.

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lbcdawn Says:
August 25, 2006 - 18:52
oh like Okay can I change my vote? Now I am really confused. I am mostly with this string Dan pd and CitA. My husband made a funny comment yesterday that was not pc I told him he was a good meanie headed republican. He said I am not a republican I am a conservative!

I don't vote party lines I vote with the Bible, prayer and study. Its not my fault that most of the time its a candidate with an R next to there name. I also happen to be a narrowminded issue oriented person with firm convictions. For example if I learn a candidate is pro-choice I do not vote for them. On the other hand if the only pro life candidate is a social liberal I forego voting that race. The lesser of two evils argument doesn't work with me. I realize by not voting party lines I fuel the opposition in some races but its a conscious conviction for me.. it wouldn't do for me to cross myself.

~lbcdawn Religion is about doing. Christianity is about done.

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porterjervis Says:
August 25, 2006 - 18:34
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoconservative


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nicksmith112 Says:
August 25, 2006 - 18:07
I am a refugee from the Democratic Party!

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Conservative in the Arts Says:
August 25, 2006 - 17:55
After reading the thread that our Hater groupies have going, It's even more fun to re-read what I typed on how I am. They are so proud of themselves over there. They are reading this, and posting it up over at their own little sandbox. "Hi boys!"

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MightyMouth Says:
August 25, 2006 - 17:36
Boy did you come to the right place. :-p

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

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acadia1755 Says:
August 25, 2006 - 17:33
I click on Moderate because I have no idea what I am anymore!





I do not agree with wars but sometimes you got to do what you got to do.





The UN has failed its mandate and like an old Hooker it is time to retire.





I do not agree with torture of a prisoner! But if I see a terrorist standing on a bucket with electric wires in his hands? I say plug it in!





If the Turdtappers want to get hitched? Let it be! but don’t call it marriage.





I do not believe in giving up my values to please another individual who does not give a Damn if I live or die!

I have no problem accepting a new member in my community regardless of color or religion.





I am 100% for Israel’s right to exist and 100% in favor that it should clean up the M.E. cesspool.





I think Al Gore is a Complete Idiot! And Dean? Demented.





I think watching Bush saying Nuclear is funny! As funny as I trying to type it! J





Freedom of the press is a joke and an Insult to our right to be informed.

The Media should understand that they are there to report the News not fabricate it.

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pbdmiller Says:
August 25, 2006 - 17:27
I'm with Dan and CITA ------ amen!

Peace through superior firepower, baby, yeah!

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Ten7s Says:
August 25, 2006 - 17:05
Some definitions would be helpful. For example:

Conservatives - William F. Buckley, Russell Kirk, et. al., social and fiscal conservatives, foreign policy realists

Neoconservatives - Bill Kristol, Francis Fukuyama, et. al., social and fiscal moderates, foreign policy idealists

Paleoconservatives - Pat Buchannan and friends, social and fiscal conservatives, foreign policy isolationists


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Tantalus Says:
August 25, 2006 - 16:48
I fit in the ex-lib-by-default catagory. I re-educated myself after the 2000 election and am still expunging my formery held moonbat inspired, unsupported, indefensible and politically correct ideas. I am not proud to admit my past indoctrination but I now appreciate how valuable sites like NewsBusters are in flushing out "The rest of the story"

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Conservative in the Arts Says:
August 25, 2006 - 16:32
Dan, I'm with you. I'd rather put myself in the Hard Core, Bible thumping, evangelical, born-again religous wacko that just votes Republican.

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PeskyDane Says:
August 25, 2006 - 16:29
I'm a mezo-pre-cambrian-lithic conservative, myself...

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bexter Says:
August 25, 2006 - 16:26
As a moderate Paleoconservative I find much issue with neoconservatives. I suggest reading some of Pat Buchanan or Bill Buckley's writings on the subject.

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Dan The Man 2 Says:
August 25, 2006 - 16:18
i checked "Other" because I am a Christian first and foremeost but lean to conservtive views. i, like all of us here, am not in any "Bush Bot" mold or pure conservative mold but have some ideas that would be leftist. One for instance is I believe in a universal basic healthcare and a system that would be able to house and feed the people who really need it. I believe in caring for the poor and indigent who cannot help themselves or need a leg up.

That said I dont think it would work in government because people would pervert it as they have many other things. Im not sure it would work in a private enterprise such as a church sponsored activity either. It all boils down to personal resposibility and the propensity of individuals to shirk that resposibility if given the opertunity to do so.

Only if we applied some common sense, sorely in short supply these days, to the problem and used it liberally. We would look at each case and make a determination of specific needs.

So i cant in good conciensce see myself as any persuasion other than Christian, even though I vote conservative. I voted for President Bush because he is a Christian and touched what was then the third rail of politics being a Born Again Christian and having Jesus as your guide in all things. in 2000 it was dynamite.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

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RJ Says:
August 25, 2006 - 16:09
What, you thought moonbat was just mindless name-calling?" ;^>

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robert108 Says:
August 25, 2006 - 16:04
Sorry, guys, but Buchanan is an isolationist, not a conservative of any kind. A paleoconservative is one who has been conservative for a long time, as opposed to a neoconservative, who is new to the movement. We "paleos" believe in the founding principles of America, like individual independence, free enterprise economic system, govt of, by, and for the people...stuff like that.