Sei di Maggio!
Not sure how to spell the Italian for the 6th of May on a lazy warm Saturday spring day! I figure that I have 10 minutes to chat with you before I head on out to the flea market in the city in the middle of these high altitude Indian reservations just west of the continental divide. All water I use heads to the EL Pacifico. (That was a good beer while eating fish on one of the beaches in Puerto Vallarte! I won the lottery at this Woodlake Tennis Club tournament lottery about 20 years ago! Another time, another life when most of these teachers around me were still in
grammar school! Fraulein Schmidt is the only older teacher in My cul de sac!)

I have visions of next year bringing more teachers together by sponsoring some sort of party (BYOB and herb) at least once per month! I wonder why I should be so secretive about good herb because it lowers your blood pressure and puts you into just the right amount of euphoria to celebrate life!..the only time in this particular shell...oh, but wouldn't it be great just to know that you have another chance !!
to savor the good beer after a good surf in the Aussie ocean with your twin soul mate!

I'm hoping that M and I can organize so we at least see Dad together. I'm so impressed that she wrote to him and he wrote back in his romantic way...It's the only way Dad will behave too afraid (?) to show his grumpy old man side! He wants to see me match up with someone before he leaves this earth!

Saturday 9:45

You develop your pals and your drinkin buds and then they go away....friends here and then gone...each time it's harder to make new friends in a new environment...

You become paranoid about not getting invited to a party from your neighbors in the adjacent cul de sac...
They are having a bonfire and wish that you were around the fire so you start feeling sorry for yourself.. You hear them chatting away with the charming Romondo the life of the little party...you can hear the attractive young art teacher's fiancee chatting away, both of them love to be the center of attention..

... not in the mood to while away a good Saturday evening with no where fun to go so you walk your dog to the school to chat on the computer
with the other you, my reader, my listener, my friend (maybe?), and me looking at my reflections in the future

You feel sorry for yourself that the real love of your life that you took for granted departed a long time ago in another life of wreckless youth!

Now you are just walking your dog at least realizing that you have it better than the blokes with solitary confinement...
Thanks to your other neighbor in the adjacent third of the triplex you are given the chance at least take your mind for a trip while you sip on the Hard Core cider walking your dog through the neigborhood of teachers wishing there was a corner pub to at least have some conversation with someone physical ...
At least it was nice to chat with Fraulein Schmidt, she joked about how she was never invited to parties...we are two eccentrics in an already eccentric neigborhood of teachers escaping the hustle of normal civilizaion at least for a while it's ok
the way you often would take a trip to Lumpy's , it was a pleasant escape until you were physically assaulted...
would you be treated as the black sheep of the family?? Muffy's common sense would read between the lines....You wish that she was with you right now drinking some wine by the fire ...
our bodies in an embrace as she misses this physical presence of someone that really loves you and wants to share your life...

unpleasant thoughts invade your mind while you look into Buffy's sad eyes.... you want to go to nice thoughts

aah to remember being in your embrace
so nice when you are there to cuddle!
We would wake up together so happy!
Oh, well, maybe next year?? You won't be alone!

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  1. May 8, 2006 - 21:20





    same ole same ole neocon replies!

    the earth will fix itself up...so screw the earth! who cares about our kids not being able to breath or drink the water!

    Who cares if the next few generations will only be able to see wild animals in a zoo!

    the earth will recover!



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    Karl Rove Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 21:13
    Big deal. So those areas don't have any trees for a few hundred years. How old is the Earth? 4.5 BILLION years old? And you're worried about a few "hundred" years?

    Throughout the Earth's history, natural climate changes have changed desert regions into lush tropical forests and back to desert regions (the Sahara, for one). Nothing that man does -- or could EVER do -- can even BEGIN to approach the Earth's own power to reshape itself.

    This is just ANOTHER example of the HUBRIS of the environmantal movement. Just becuase a specific area won't have some "trees," that somehow equals the "destruction of the Earth."

    Your HYPERBOLE is MOST entertaining to us!

    LOL!

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    Karl Rove Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 21:09
    August 25, 2000 Clinton's Forest Disaster
    by Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.

    You've heard that government policies can cause unanticipated bad effects? My own opinion is that government is the source of just about everything wrong with the world. This view is confirmed many times over when you consider the current forest-fire fiasco. Government is the cause of the fires now raging out of control across the West, just as surely as if Clinton himself had spread the fuel and lit the match.

    On this, the Republican leadership is exactly right. Both Denis Hastert of the House and George W. Bush have put the blame on the Clinton administration for their land grabs and their crack-down on logging. Indeed, government's restrictions in the 1990s and its relentless squelching of fires, along with a long string of outrageous land grabs, have caused logging to fall 75 percent on government lands (lands the government shouldn't own to begin with).

    And then what happens? Is nature permitted to sprout forth unimpaired by human hands and internal combustion engines? Well, yes, for awhile, until another side of nature shows itself. The brush and dead trees accumulate, and new saplings, crushed together in untenable density, suck up available water causing old growth trees to die and be infested by bugs, adding to the ever-thicker underbrush. This is a prescription for massive fire, and with drought, millions of acres are turned into tinder boxes, and all is lost.

    Hence we have an unanticipated consequence of government regulation: not conservation but the massive fires we see today. Already, these fires have drained the budgets of fire fighting crews, wiped out 5.22 million acres of trees, burned hundreds of homes, and killed untold numbers of valuable livestock and game animals. And how can you compare the vast air pollution these miles of fires create with the average factory? Gee, I wonder what brilliant idea the environmentalists will come up with next?

    The damage having been done, there is only one reasonable course: permit logging companies to henceforth thin the forests. Granted, huge swaths of this government-owned land is covered with diseased and decaying trees that are useless for the logging industry. That's also thanks to government regulations. But permitting loggers to start the thinning process would at least get us on the right track again.

    So what does the Clinton administration propose? Not private logging but a huge new government program that will put the government in charge of thinning forests at a cost of hundreds of millions to the taxpayer! Instead of permitting private enterprise to make money to clean up the government's disaster, the Clinton administration proposes to steal OUR money to thin out the forest themselves. And no doubt the government will botch the job as it botches everything.

    A draft being circulated within the Forest Service imagines a 40-year project to clear out underbrush in 40 million acres over 15 years, tossing out the small trees and leaving the big ones. And what will this cost in dollars and manpower? Nearly one BILLION per year, and that's only the first round of estimates. Count on it being five and ten times as much. We are talking about a full-scale, Soviet-style centralized industrial plan to do what loggers would gladly do at a profit if they were permitted to.

    The insanity of this idea just boggles the mind. Why doesn't the Clinton administration consider allowing private enterprise to do the job of clearing out forests? First, it's a matter of pride, since it was these lunkheads that first came up with the idea that forests should be "preserved" in their pristine state. Second, they are socialist puritans consumed with fear that someone, somewhere, might being making a profit. Third, they are captured by environmentalists whose strange religion exalts the rights of nature above the rights of man.

    But as these fires show, government intervention can unleash terrors undreamt by central planners. Who knows what kinds of demons will be unleashed by the proposed government thinning plan?

    Ironically, if this central plan is to be stopped, it will likely be due to counter-lobbying by the environmental groups that can't admit to themselves (or are secretly happy) that their ballyhooed plan to save the forests through conservation has actually ended up destroying them. For example, the Flagstaff, Arizona, effort to permit limited logging for purposes of thinning has come under heavy criticism from people who see it as a veil to permit a capitalist ravaging of mother nature.

    But if we are not to have forests that ignite in raging fires, destroying valuable timber, livestock, and game, and we are not to have a grotesque government plan that would send bureaucrats out to blindly trash every other tree they see, what is the answer?

    An otherwise outstanding monograph on this subject put out by the Political Economy Research Center ("Forests: Do We Get What We Pay For?" By Holly Lippke Fretwell) recommends: new systems of government management that recognize the needs for multi-use forests, competitive bidding for tree clearing, devolution in regulation, and the like. But these solutions don't go far enough; they might even be compared with Gorbachev's desire to introduce market incentives into a socialist economy.

    The only real answer is private ownership. That path alone is the answer to the forest and the forest fire problem. With private property, owners are free to cut and thin. The owners themselves profit from logging, and from replanting. They are free to permit tourists. Or they are free to let the natural cycle of growth and burning take place, provided they don't damage anyone else's property at the same time. Forests will fall into the hands of those who value them the most.

    This is not some utopian experiment. All over the South, private forests profit by providing the bulk of the nation's lumber. They are run by people who love trees because they understand that they must be cultivated and tended to in order not to become dangerous and instead to improve our lives. The family-owned forests of the South are just as much a part of the free enterprise economy as Silicon Valley or multinational oil conglomerates. And the South also features huge private nature preserves like Callaway Gardens. This too is part of the capitalist way.

    Bush and Hastert have no such radical solution in mind, though I don't believe any other solution is feasible in the long run. But at least they have recognized the problem. Indeed, anyone who has thought seriously about this issue has recognized the problem, and that the Clinton administration has caused it. Raging fires destroying mile after mile of land this regime said it wanted to protect: it is a fitting end for a bad policy and an apt metaphor for what the White House has wrought throughout the 1990s.

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/forests2.html

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    rhayes Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 21:07
    We need to share the earth. What is wrong with that? Do you think we have to dominate and destroy it too?
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    Montana lyons Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 21:04




    Trees grow back? I'll be darned and so do animals?

    Will the trees grow back in the amazon rainforest or in Africa where the once lush jungle is now turning into deserts?

    Maybe? In a few hundred years!



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    futbolisgreat Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 21:02
    rhayes, the thing is that we know that there isn't any environmental crisis as most wacky liberals seem to believe.

    you see, liberals are very easily persuaded to believe any doom and glood scenerio...they don't have a mind of their own and are easily fooled by fake science...

    now, my question is, how could a sane human being believe that a whale, bird, tree, etc, etc is more important than a human being?

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    balboa Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:59
    Well, I'm gonna need some non-partisan proof of that before I take it as gospel.
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    rhayes Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:59
    I wondered when the prolife movement would say their peace!

    How can one be against saving the environment and in the same breath worry about unborn children that will inherit this earth?

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    SpinyNorman Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:59
    SS 75,

    Very well stated, indeed. Having done no small amount of research on the subject, I find no facts to dispute and few opinions to argue in your post. What doesn’t surprise me is that none of those previously arguing anecdotally and viscerally have stepped up to challenge a post which brings details and respected opinions to the table.


    Punching out!


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    futbolisgreat Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:58
    Karl, unfortunatly, that common sense was lost under Clinton...many forests were not allowed to be thin out to prevent forest fires....

    thanks to this millions upon millions of dollars were lost in damaged property and in turning of these fires, more importantly, human lives were also lost...

    but leave it to the liberals to believe that trees are more important than a human life...

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    futbolisgreat Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:56
    balboa, honestly who said to cut down all trees! Forests need to be thinned out so that the forest fires don't get to be as horrific as they were thanks to Clinton not allowing the thinning out of forests!

    thousands of of people have suffered because of this Clinton policy, millions of dollars have been lost thanks to this Clinton policy and people ahve died thanks to this clinton policy...

    this type of policies is what I mean that go overboard...in order to save some trees, we hurt our economy and we cost the lives of human beings? c'mon now!

    I would hope, and you seem...that you are 100% more rational than Montana...c'mon guy...

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    Karl Rove Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:53
    Any intelligent person knows that a forest that is overgrown and DRY is a tinderbox just WAITING to happen. So, forests are HARVESTED to take away much of the FUEL that a forest fire depends on (the overgrowth) to get larger.

    Dry harvesting in western forests has saved HUNDREDS of acres from unnecessary damage and saved much damage to live/property.

    It's just COMMON SENSE. (Lost on liberals, I know).

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    florida_chad Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:53
    M - Trees actually do grow back. There wouldn't be any wood in your home? Nor paper I hope.

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    futbolisgreat Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:53
    Hmmm...I have two children and i could give two sh...about this ridiculous, full of lies, religious like environmental movement....

    I would hate to think that anyonw would teach their children that a human life is NOT more important than a tree, another plant or that of a animal.

    Anyone that teaches their children that an animal life is equally important or more than their is an insane, crazy person that needs immidiate mental help.

    oh ooops, my son just turned over my wife's plant and killed a plant!

    I bet if that was Montana Lyons kid he would bit the living daylights out of his kid for "killing" two plants...

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    balboa Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:50
    Ah...whoops. Let me, just get this...soapbox out of the way...
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    Montana lyons Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:49




    Great point, B! But arguing with neocon logic is pointless when they even disagree with their president about global warming and who cares if we screw up the environment! ....trees will go back in a few centuries...Hey lets cut down the Redwoods too! Those will only take a thousand years to grow back! who cares!



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    Sure you do. That's why you by Karl Rove
    futbolisgreat Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:47
    Unsane, actually most if not all European nations have a negative population growth, so do Japan and many other first world nations.

    The only thing that saves the USA from being in that club is the Latino population, which I will admit, we have babies like bunnies, but I believe that is a good thing.

    I have read that anywhere between 2030 to 2050 we will hit ZERO population growth in the world and a few decades later we will start declining.

    As of today, Europeans as a race are disappering and so are Japanese....

    and another bit of interesting fact, per square mile, England has more people than China....

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    Unsane Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:47
    So, Scotty, what are YOU doing to stop CO2 emissions? Do you drive a car anywhere? Where do you get the power for your home? Or do you only use candles for your home's lighting? And surely you have no central air and heating, do you?
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    florida_chad Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:46
    B - you don't cut down ALL the trees. Some must be cut to thin the forrest and create some fire breaks.


    I hope that helps........

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    Montana lyons Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:45




    So it's obvious, Karl, you don't have kids. I sleep well at night.

    I guess that's why you can't sleep and are on this site all the time?



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    balboa Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:44
    But we can destroy the rain forest.
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    balboa Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:43
    ...thanks to this wild fires become horrific....
    Yeah, I never understood this line of thinking: cut down the trees and there won't be forest fires...well, yeah, and if you could just get rid of guns, there wouldn't be any shootings, get rid of cars and their won't be any car accidents, drain all the lakes so no one drowns, drain the rivers so there aren't any floods...

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    futbolisgreat Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:43
    Karl: no didn't you know it was a metallic, robotic white shark that the evil oil executives sent to kill the whale!!! President Bush was behind the controls and he laughed as this robotic shark shredded the poor, innocent, whale...hahahahaha!!!!

    Karl just think about it, here in the USA there are stiff penalties and in some States jail time for eating or using a type of turtle egg and not letting it hatch! but the law protects the killing of unborn human babies....talk about backward thinking, right?


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    Unsane Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:43
    Actually, world population is about to decline in many places. Japan's population is entering decline, as have many nations in Europe. Russia's population is in free-fall. And birth rates have slowed globally. Already there is discussion that China's population will get older and smaller by the 2030s due to their draconian population control policies.

    So much for the overpopulation of the earth!

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    Karl Rove Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:42
    God, how to you SLEEP at night, always worrying about the "destruction of the earth?"

    No WONDER you are always spouting your hate against Bush, "neocons," etc., etc.,

    You're just not a very happy person, are you?

    So sad.

    Unfortunately, our children will not be able to enjoy the rainforests, the abundance of species, the beautiful coral of the Great Barrier reef or the once beautiful corals of Key West!

    OH, God, so now becuae someone drives an SUV and uses HAIR SPRAY,
    "our children will not be able to enjoy the rainforests..."

    Listen to yourself! You sound like a typical, sandal wearing, granola eating "mother Earth" FETISHIST who goes around thinking that man can actually do anything (short of nuclear war) to "destroy the environment."

    Too funny!!!!

    Even if we TRIED, we couldn't "destroy the environment."

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    exactly "fragile" e by futbolisgreat
    futbol: That must have been by Karl Rove
    Montana lyons Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:38





    Fragile ecosystem"... WHAAATEVER...Earth did JUST FINE before man even arrived, and Earth will do just fine after we are all gone.Such HUBRIS to think we can "destroy the environment."

    Apparently , you must not have children because you do not care about the world that they will inherit.

    Yes of course, the earth will survive if humans were to wipe themselves out environmentally or with the bomb and it would take maybe only centuries for the rainforests and new species to evolve to replace the ones we wiped out!

    Unfortunately, our children will not be able to enjoy the rainforests, the abundance of species, the beautiful coral of the Great Barrier reef or the once beautiful corals of Key West!

    So I guess you don't have children because I would hate to think that you were so heartless to leave them this legacy of a very overpopulated (with "top dogs") decimated earth!


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    futbolisgreat Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:35
    So, according to you, human beings aren't more important than animals?

    so, why don't you jump off a building and give more room to a dog, or cat, to a tree, etc, etc...

    tell me Montana, if you were by a lake, and you saw your son and your dog go into a lake, and all of a sudden you realize that they are both drowning. You can only save one of the, who would you save?

    Or how about the great story of the Canadian town that put tens of thousands of dollars to save a whale, wacky environmental groups got involved too. They saved the whale, made sure that she was healthy, etc, etc. They had a huge big event to let the whale back out into the ocean....as they watched the whale go into the ocean a big white shark attacked and killed the whale!! hahahahahaah!! talk about irony and the stupidity of environmentalists...


    by the way, can you please point out to where exactly ANY of us has said, "screw plants and animals."

    tsk....tsk.....I think you are once again stereotyping...be a good liberal and stop with the stereotyping guy...

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    Karl Rove Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:30
    Oooo... NOT a good "mental picture" there buddy!

    :-P...

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    Karl and futbal, you need to by subrock704
    balboa Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:28
    I think his "New Rules" segment is pretty entertaining. He really just lucked into "Politically Incorrect" originally, and built enough of a following to create this show. Even if you don't like him, I think the show is fun.
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    Karl Rove Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:27
    "Fragile ecosystem"... WHAAATEVER...

    Earth did JUST FINE before man even arrived, and Earth will do just fine after we are all gone.

    Such HUBRIS to think we can "destroy the environment."

    tsk...tsk...

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    Montana lyons Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:26




    So it's not from scripture but your own neocon greedy selfish thinking. We're number 1! screw the plants and animals

    even though you are too ignorant to realize that we depend on them ....

    and how this fragile ecosystem on this planet is being destroyed and we will have more natural calamities regardless of your backward thinking!



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    Karl Rove Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:24
    You forgot "NEOCON OIL EXEC!"

    You're SLIPPING!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

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    Montana lyons Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:22




    "and co2 is from volcanoes! "

    standard oil exec line!


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    futbolisgreat Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:20
    why would I put anything from Scripture? hmmm....stereotyping aren't we?

    yes, we will become extinct in the next 100 years...hahaha!!! please move your tin foil hat guy...you are starting to get bad reception...

    I guess like the T-rex we should stop driving our RexUVs...




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    Karl Rove Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:20
    Such FEAR of "little ole' FOX NEWS!"

    HA!

    Too funny!

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    Montana lyons Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:18




    Facts are intimidating leftist propaganda unless they are from Fox!



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    Karl Rove Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:15
    I just want my BIG OIL and my SUV!

    :-P...

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    ML, you are a colossal waste by NL207
    Montana lyons Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:13





    " we just know that no animal, that no plant is more important than a human being... "

    why don't you name a quote from scripture about how we should enjoy ourselves! screw the animals and plants!


    so if we become extinct in the next 100 years, then the left over plants and animals can fight it out to see who's number one!

    right??? and hey then we can be fossil fuel for the next species to take over the earth!

    the earth will have cooled down by then so lets burn the fossil fuels again in another 200 million years!


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    Karl Rove Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:12
    Oh, so NOW you say you "suport facts," when only a little while ago, you refused to accept hard numbers which showed Fox News is STILL the number one cable news network.

    Hmmm... Interesting. Very interesting.

    And I'm not saying global warming may not exist. I'm just saying not all scientsits agree on the issue.

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    futbolisgreat Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:11
    oh, oh....scottystalin's lover has joined us....

    please Karl, myself and other here have posted with many a fact in many forums that completly speak against global warming, but leave it to a liberal to say that they are putting up facts....

    silly libbies...facts are for Conservatives...

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    balboa Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:10
    I think we can use land more efficiently. Every city has land or property that sits vacant or could be repurposed. But it's cheaper to just develop "untouched" land.
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    NL207 Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:10
    We are going to debate weak minded liberals.
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    futbolisgreat Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:09
    who cares what the President said about global warming, if he supports it, he is 100% wrong, as wrong as YOU, Kerry, Pelosi, etc, etc....

    yes, President wrong is 100% when it comes to global warming if he supports it as you claim...

    we aren't robots like you guy, we have minds of our own!

    Here once again, PRESIDENT GEORGE WALKER BUSH IS WRONG ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING...

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    Dan The Man 2 Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:09

    Do you have the quote from Gore and a link?

    Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely

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    Scotty Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:08
    I wish you would stop arguing with facts you're making it very difficult for them to blame the left. Surely its ok if 15 people in the US think all this CO2 is from sun cycles.
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    futbolisgreat Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:07
    Montana, I don't think we are anti-environment, we just know that no animal, that no plant is more important than a human being...

    furthermore when you see the biggest proponents of environmental measures like the Kyoto Protocol driving SUVs, flying private jets all over the USA and the world, it is kind of difficult to take them seriously when they themselves don't take their environmental talk seroiusly....

    by all means, be good to Earth, but not to the point that some take it that animals are more important than human lives, not to the point where we pass laws and measures that hurt our economy, thus hurting your average family in the USA...

    and as over population, please that has been screamed out since the 1960s and according to some crazy left wing studies during the 1960s, backed up with so called serious numbers, the end of the world was suppose to happen in 1990! ooops...what happened guys?

    yes, those darn dinosaurs...I think it was more the Flinstones, they didn't pass any protocols to save their environment...

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    AHHHH!!! Big oil!!!! You by Karl Rove
    Overpopulating! Let's ABORT by Karl Rove
    Montana lyons Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:03




    That was back in 2001 before they started censoring anything to do with global warming! I wanted to show this site how you all are disagreeing with the president who actually said that the earth was warming up. Do neocons love waffles too?

    amazing how this site has been swayed by the big oil companies' thinking!



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    Montana lyons Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 20:01




    We are overpopulating which is putting a great stress on the water, the air, and the other species. But who cares, life still will go on!

    Amazing how neocons love to exaggerate and make jokes about the t-rex. Why has this party become so anti-environmental?

    Nixon and even Reagan cared about the environment and knew that we had to take measures ...now with your neocon party, environmentalists get labeled as wackos thanks to global hot air machine and drug addict, Limbaugh!



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    Karl Rove Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 19:58
    Gee, I guess that must be part of the "censorship" you were talking about!

    LOL!

    First, Montana Lyins claims the Whtie House is "censoring" scientific research about Global warming, and then he posts a statement by the President that SUPPORTS the theory of global warming?

    HUH?

    Maybe the President needs to "censor" HIMSELF?

    ha!

    Too funny!

    ROFLMAO!

    “Yet, there is a difference between responsible criticism that aims for success, and defeatism that refuses to acknowledge anything but failure. Hindsight alone is not wisdom, and second-guessing is not a strategy.” - President Bush

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    Karl Rove Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 19:56
    futbol: Only 9 years, 265 days, 3 mins, 39 seconds (and counting), until we are all DESTROYED (according to Al Gore's DOOMSDAY destruction prediction)!

    :-O

    “Yet, there is a difference between responsible criticism that aims for success, and defeatism that refuses to acknowledge anything but failure. Hindsight alone is not wisdom, and second-guessing is not a strategy.” - President Bush

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    Montana lyons Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 19:55





    from our great president himself (have to be careful not to bash him so as not to get banned)

    President Bush Discusses Global Climate Change

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/06/20010611-2.html

    " First, we know the surface temperature of the earth is warming. It has risen by .6 degrees Celsius over the past 100 years. There was a warming trend from the 1890s to the 1940s. Cooling from the 1940s to the 1970s. And then sharply rising temperatures from the 1970s to today.

    There is a natural greenhouse effect that contributes to warming. Greenhouse gases trap heat, and thus warm the earth because they prevent a significant proportion of infrared radiation from escaping into space. Concentration of greenhouse gases, especially CO2, have increased substantially since the beginning of the industrial revolution. And the National Academy of Sciences indicate that the increase is due in large part to human activity. "




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    futbolisgreat Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 19:54
    Yeap, according to Al Gore, thanks ot global warming, that is when the end is coming!!

    AHHHHH!!! run for your lives!!! run! run! run!!!

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    futbolisgreat Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 19:54
    I just couldn't help myself...

    Liberals forget that every decade they are always calling on some type of global disaster...

    during the 1960s they were all about the end of the world coming in the 1980s and 90s because of overpopulation.

    it is all about doom and gloom!

    and yes, those darn T-rex, if they would have only started walking to eat their pray instead of driving their RexUVs....they would still be around...

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    Good one futbol: T-Rex's an by Karl Rove
    futbolisgreat Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 19:49
    if species dying out is your measure of global warming happening...then, global warming has been around since the dinosaurs left this earth, right?

    those T-rex, they were told to stop driving the RexUVs...hahahaha!!!!

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    Karl Rove Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 19:48
    Montana Lyins proves no "censorship" by the White House.

    You have proven no "censorship" exists. Many scientists DO disagree on global warming.

    And YOU haven't answered the question about "Global cooling," which, only twenty years ago, we were being told would "destroy the earth."

    And YOU don't want to admit that radical environmental policies have more to do with POLITICS than with science and/or "protecting the earth."

    tsk...tsk..


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    Montana lyons Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 19:37




    Then why does the white house censor and edit scientific articles about global warming?

    I am still curious how someone can say that most scientists disagree with global warming. Where are their sources?

    Regardless of whether global warming is occuring with the marked increase in CO2 levels, the oceans and air are becoming polluted, species are dying out.

    This site doesnt want to admit that good environmental policies are detrimental to the oil and energy companies!



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    Sua Sponte 75 Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 19:25

    Back in the days of Jimmy Carter and killer rabbits, doomsayers were telling us that the Earth was slipping into new ice age, and that we were all going to die. Survivalists ran for the hills while stuffed-shirt academics ordered extra elbow patches for their sweaters and tut-tutted about the foolishness of the American people. This particular hysteria was fueled by a couple of cooler-than-normal winters, and the doomsday prophets gleefully told us to prepare for the end. By the beginning of the 1980`s the temperature trends had changed and global cooling went out of fashion, replaced by a trendier doomsday scenario: global warming.

    Once again, the sky is falling and we are all going to die. We have heard this mantra repeatedly for the last twenty years, and from some of the same people who promised us igloos and a twelve-month skiing season. Those same academics are removing their sweaters, cranking down the AC, and tut-tutting about the foolishness of the American people. We have been treated to a smorgasbord of half-baked ideas; the oceans will overflow, the ice will all melt and we’ll have no more snow, tropical diseases will run rampant. Our only slim hope for survival lies in adopting the Kyoto Protocols. We simply must live poorer - cut back, sacrifice, use less. This sounds remarkably like what we heard in the 1970’s from the Club of Rome study on the limits to growth, driven by the supposed imminent exhaustion of most major raw materials. The disease diagnosis changes, but the cure is always the same.

    Global warming caused by greenhouse gas emissions (principally carbon dioxide) was first proposed based on studies of the planet Venus. Venus is at a temperature of 900 some odd degrees because its heavy (100 times as dense as Earth`s) atmosphere holds most of the heat the planet receives. Environmentalist scientists applied this model to Earth and decided that we face disaster. (Note that Carl Sagan, a staunch proponent of the nuclear freeze movement, used Mars similarly to “prove” mankind could not survive a nuclear war. Newer science shows Sagan’s “nuclear winter” thesis was full of hot air.) They claim that industry, especially here in these United States, is changing the climate. Back in the early 1980’s they said we had only twenty more years.

    There is much disagreement among data compiled from measurements of sea temperatures and satellite observations. Sea temperature measurements (done by fishermen for extra cash, so we can be very confident in their accuracy) show rising temperatures globally, while satellite data actually shows an ever-so-slight cooling. For further analysis go here and here . According to Michel Jarraud of the World Meteorological Organization, we are talking about a rise of 1 degree in the last 100 years across the globe. This falls easily within the normal variation of temperature, and makes a mockery of the insane, desperate attempts to control greenhouse gas emissions. People need to take a deep breath and look at the normal ebb and flow of climate.

    The Earth’s climate changes all the time because the Earth is not a static thing, and neither is our Sun. Our atmosphere is renewed regularly by volcanic eruptions (and we should be grateful; little volcanism is part of why Mars has such a thin atmosphere!) and it has changed enormously through the eons. Originally it was largely composed of Methane and CO2. During the Jurassic period the atmosphere was thicker and contained more oxygen than it does now, allowing land animals to grow to gargantuan sizes. There were no ice caps during the Jurassic, and we have found tropical plant fossils in Antarctica and Greenland frozen under the ice. We all know about the Ice Ages, which were interspersed with interglacial warm periods (we’re in an interglacial period now). In the historical era we have clear examples of random climate change. During the Middle Ages wine grapes grew in Britain and olive trees in Germany because the temperatures were warmer then. This was called the Medieval Warming Period. This ended in 1645 to be followed by what has been called the Mini Ice Age which lasted until 1715. Wine ceased to be a British product because of the much colder temperatures of this period (2 degrees or so below our current levels worldwide).

    We have seen a slight warming in the last thirty years and suddenly the sky is falling. We supposedly have no choice but to give up this foolish consumer/capitalist civilization and return to the life of frolicking among the daisies in our homespun duds, living a simple, communal, low energy life.

    The eruption of one volcano gives off more greenhouse gas than is released through emissions by mankind in an entire year. The whole greenhouse global warming argument is fatuous. With 3% of all CO2 in the atmosphere being our fault, we simply aren’t putting out that much stuff to affect our climate.

    There is something the enviro-nuts have chosen to forget. The sun is not static. All of their models assume a static energy output from the sun. Our sun is a yellow dwarf star (spectral class G2) and is fairly stable for a small star. Fairly stable, but not entirely stable. Sol is not a variable star, but occasionally it becomes more active. This increase in activity is evidenced by heavy sunspot activity. Sunspots are cooler patches on the sun, surrounded by hotter patches called faculae. When the sun becomes more active it develops more sunspots (and more of the faculae, which put out more energy to Earth.)

    The fusion process in our sun is not fully understood. One theory suggests that fusion stops inside the sun periodically. The sun is a ball of gas, with fusion occurring in the center of the ball because of the immense pressure and high temperatures. When hydrogen inside the sun goes into fusion mode, it expands the ball of gas outward. This, in turn, reduces the pressure inside and may shut the fusion process down. The Sun continues to radiate because of friction caused by the gravitational collapse of the gas. When the pressure reaches a crescendo the fusion process starts again. The fusion cycle is evidenced, the theory goes, by a period of heavy sunspot activity. Sunspots cycles run every eleven years. We have seen a gradual increase in the number of sunspots with each cycle. More sunspots mean more energy radiating from the sun.

    Dr. Sami Solanki of the Max Planck Institute first proposed that the sun could be the cause of Global Warming. He studied layers of Beryllium in ice cores taken from Greenland to learn about the sunspot cycles. Beryllium is formed when ionized particles from the sun strike the Earth’s atmosphere; this gives us an historical record of solar activity over the last fifteen thousand years. Every warm period, and every cooler period, coincided with periods of heavy sunspot activity. According to the Institute of Astronomy in Zurich sunspot activity is reaching the highest level it has been in the last thousand years. It reached its nadir during the Maunder Minimum, which happened to coincide with the Little Ice Age. Go here to read more.

    Since 8700 BC there have been at least ten cold periods, and all have coincided with quiet solar activity. In short, any minor increase in temperature we see today is caused by a more active sun. This explains why atmospheric temperatures aren’t rising while ocean temperatures are. If CO2 emissions were causing global warming we would see a rise in the temperature of the atmosphere first (where energy is being trapped) followed by a rise in ocean temperatures. That our situation is the reverse strongly suggests that this phenomenon is being caused by the sun; we are seeing a rise in ocean temperatures because the oceans act as thermal mass, catching the stronger solar energy and holding it while the atmosphere is allowing heat to leave at a normal rate. This also explains why we have the hole in the ozone layer at the poles; the sun is putting out more ionized particles (called the solar wind) which are being caught in the Earth’s magnetic field and whisked around to where those fields make contact with the Earth (the magnetic poles). It should be obvious why the ozone is damaged at the poles; it is being struck by electrically charged particles at very high speeds.

    Many scientists, Solanki included, claim the increase in solar activity is not enough. Solanki thinks the solar wind may be forming extra clouds, giving increased insulation. Dr. Henrik Svensmark of the Danish Meteorological Institute in Copenhagen says plainly that sunspot cycles alone account for global warming. Conservationist David Bellamy agrees, “Global warming – at least the modern nightmare version – is a myth.” In fact, according to Dr. Sallie Baliunas of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics we may be entering another cool period. These warming trends tend to last between 200 and 300 years, and so where does that leave us?

    Why, then, this lemming-like rush into the Kyoto quagmire? We don’t even understand the data we have. Global warming gurus keep pushing, and keep adjusting their models to “prove” that we are dooming ourselves. We simply have no reason to believe any of this. We have seen no rise in sea levels.

    Kyoto is all about politics. It is about hamstringing the U.S. economy to allow weaker markets to compete. The Times of London has an article stating that Prime Minister Tony Blair is going to pressure the United States to accept “Kyoto lite.” a slightly weaker version of the Kyoto Accords. The big prize is getting the U.S. to concede the false science.

    Science is apparently no longer the objective pursuit of truth, but rather a matter of political consensus. Galileo would recognize the phenomenon. The left has always believed that reality is whatever they can get people to believe, so by pushing a treaty with a “scientific consensus” written into it, they have defined a de facto truth. Once it is accepted, they can begin pushing their socialist agenda on us.

    That is the nub of the matter. The global warming scare is a political maneuver to economically damage the United States and install a global top-down command-and-control regime to make our economic decisions. Why haven’t the signatories of Kyoto been able to fulfill their own commitments to emission reduction? Because they have no intention of spending one red cent on the environment; it has never been about that. The left has found in environmentalism the perfect con: all human activity effects the environment in some fashion.

    For example, cattle cause considerable pollution. They damage riverbanks, pollute the water with feces, and emit methane (a greenhouse gas). Under a strict environmentalist policy we would have to seriously restrict our beef production (sound familiar) forcing us to eat soy, rice, and tofu with our green tea – just what the moonbeam left has always wanted. The neo-commissars need to tell us how to live, in order to achieve personal fulfillment. Automobiles put out carbon monoxide and, therefore, should be banned in favor of public transportation. In fact, people put out CO2 so strict population controls must be put in place. There is no end to the madness if we allow ourselves to be led down this trail.

    I will admit that there have been cases in the past where societies have destroyed their environments. The natives of Easter Island (Rapa Nui) cut down all of their trees to move those big heads (those heads remind me of several Democrats – Ted Kennedy and John Kerry, for example, but I digress) and then killed each other fighting over the food that remained, after all the soil washed away and the birds stopped coming. The Mayan Indians were forced to move after they exhausted the land through over-cultivation. North Africa was once not as desolate as it is now; overgrazing caused massive desertification. We can put ourselves permanently out of business on a local and regional level.

    It is much more likely, however, that we will destroy our spirit and our wealth through the adoption of draconian measures advocated by the socialist climate change people. The real horror would be to adopt the madness of Kyoto to tilt at the windmill of global warming, when the sun is the real culprit. We can’t fight the sun. Our ability to cope depends on the vigor of our science and economy, so crippling ourselves into a neo-Luddite dystopia is exactly the wrong thing to do. We must not rush headlong into the abyss of environmental shadows. Compliments of Tim Birdnow.

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    OH boo-hoo. I'm "such by Karl Rove
    Montana lyons Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 19:22




    So it's ok to make a blatant statement about scientists without sources about global warming as long as you are against it? And its ok to be off topic with exagerations as long as they back the oil exec's point of view?



    Maybe you could explain those 4 rules(?) to the gentlemen?

    especially about derailing threads by by baiting liberals?




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    Sua Sponte 75 Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 19:22
    Don't worry, we'll all be gone in 9 years, 265 days, 5 hours, 36 minutes and 10 seconds. So all this "magical" damage that has been done and doomed us all will be "magiacally" corrected by then?
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    Roger! Great post buddy!Rog by Karl Rove
    Sua Sponte 75 Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 19:11
    So the question of what happened to "global cooling" is not a legitimate question?

    Typical (fill in the blank) requirement of having to utilize name calling.

    And if I may borrow from Roger:

    1. Does my post have nothing to do with Topic #1 at hand (Exxon exec)? Check.

    2. Does my post have nothing to do with Topic #2 at hand (Bill Maher)? Check.

    3. Does my post contain an off-topic anti-Bush link? Check.

    4. Does my post have the potential to derail this thread? Check.

    Thanks Roger

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    Neocon! Neocon! Everyone by Karl Rove
    Montana lyons Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 19:06




    Typical neocon reply when they cannot argue the point. Let's exagerate about global warming!


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    Roger: He IS a hoot, isn't by Karl Rove
    LMF'ingAOOL! You forgot the by nofate
    Sua Sponte 75 Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 18:48
    I hope it does warm up, my heating bill is outrageous.

    Whatever happened to the "global cooling" thing?

    You gave one "supposed" instance of "censorship" relayed second party.

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    Montana lyons Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 18:45






    "Only about 15% of scientists with the right credentials accept the theory of human caused global warming as fact. The last poll numbers of this community had the disbelive number at close to 30% with the rest unconvinced by either side. Its like 2:1 against global warming within the scientific community"

    What right wing source do you get this information?

    And if that is the case then why does the white house censor scientific information about global warming?


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    Montana lyons Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 17:59




    "So whether it's making cannabis the most efficient plant on the planet for biomass bar none in addition to its recreational/medical effects"

    I'm amazed that you say this if you are a true Bush loyalist?

    Marijuana, hemp, and holistic herbs could do a lot of beneficial things for the well being of this world and in America but you can't deny that the pharmaceutical companies don't want us to go there!



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    bigtimer Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 17:30
    Ci...Count me in on that all for global warming ...NW Montana!

    Drill often...Drill everywhere!

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    Dan The Man 2 Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 17:24

    One of the best cartoons around "Pinky aand the Brain...Brain...Brain, Pinky and the Brain." I was saddened when the took it off the air. Brain always reminded me of Orson Wells and Pinky perhaps Barney Fife.

    Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely

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    MassLiberal Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 16:56
    Cue sound of crickets chirping...

    - ML

    "There is no glory in battle worth the blood it costs" - Dwight D. Eisenhower, Flaming Liberal

    Looks like Sarcasmo owes me an apology

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    NL207 Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 15:49
    Good Grief, Balboa, even the disastrous Toba eruption 74,000 years ago didn't destroy the earth! The asteroid that hit the Yucatan 65 Million years ago did not destroy the earth and this thing created an impact crater 200KM in diameter at least. What do you think we can do to rival these events? Even full scale nuclear war might not accomplish this much destruction.
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    NL207 Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 15:39
    Noel, The debate isn't 50-50. Only about 15% of scientists with the right credentials accept the theory of human caused global warming as fact. The last poll numbers of this community had the disbelive number at close to 30% with the rest unconvinced by either side. Its like 2:1 against global warming within the scientific community. The big problem with the debate is the political forces involved. The Greens and Socialists want desparately for the 15% to be right and have been vigorously and selectively funding them and defunding their opponents. That large body of undecideds, the 55% of these scientists, they are what allows these cheesy politicos to tamper with science. The pols behave as if the 55% will all eventually side with them, which is asurd, especially in light of the recent studies blaming a large part of the warming on the sun. These studies came out of an area the libs weren't strangling funds in: Astronomy and space exploration. Watch the libs start to constrain these funds now. The same sort of politicl interference in scientific research has been going on in medical research for 20 years now. Even though the lion's share [80%] of all deaths in America are caused by cancer and cardio-vascular disease, AIDS [20,000 deaths per year, about 1.2% of all deaths] research receives well over half of the NIH medical research money. The same kind of funding imbalance exists in climate research grants between those PIs with a history of pro-warming research and those with anti- histories.

    A case in point: When was the last time any of you have heard of Dr. Bjorn Lomborg, once a darling of the left, since he published "The Skeptical Environmentalist"?

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    Airforce_5_O Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 15:26
    It was well preserved, with that one cell still operating.

    "A liberal is a man so broadminded that he can't argue his own side in a quarrel" Robert Frost


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    JoeBob Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 15:12
    "Gee, Brain. What are we going to do tonight?"
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    futbolisgreat Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 15:07
    "Before you clear another patch of green land or forest for another strip mall, why not try to utilize land that's _already_ being used commercially."

    hmmmm....just a thought, but maybe because it is already being used commercially? what do you think?

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    balboa Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 15:05
    (deep breath)

    I'm not against people acquiring jobs. I don't want a bird to survive instead of a mother/father being able to feed their families. I'm not concerned about saving a silly bird, or ant, or spider.

    In fact, I don't think I mentioned birds, ants, or spiders in my post. What I'm against is making the U.S. one continuous strip mall. Before you clear another patch of green land or forest for another strip mall, why not try to utilize land that's _already_ being used commercially.

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    NL207 Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 15:05
    OK, genius. Now lets scale up the experiment to a size sufficient to cook the earth. Lets see, 5 inch fresnel. Mean target size about 7 inches effecticve diameter, so we'd need a fresnel lens about 5,600 miles in diameter to roast the earth.

    Most fresnel lenses have focal lengths about half their diameter, so we'd have to oribt this lens about 2800 miles over the equator and orient it normal to the Earth's ecliptic plane. Of course, it would have to maintain a STATIONARY position relative both the Sun and the Earth to heat the Earth effectively, which is a physical impossibilty for an orbital body.

    MassLiberal, don't quit your day job, because you'd make a poor mad scientist.

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    JoeBob Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 15:02
    Yahoo News Headline of the Day: "Doctors Save Keith Richards' Brain"
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    futbolisgreat Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 14:59
    "...stupid strip malls..." balboa this malls which you call stupid give hundreds upon hundreds if not thousands of people jobs!!

    why are you against people acquring jobs guy, why do you prefer a bird to survive than a mother/father being able to feed their families?

    honestly now...malls employe hundreds if not thousands of people...is this less important to you than saving a silly bird, or ant, or spider, etc?

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    balboa Says:
    May 8, 2006 - 14:47
    Hey, it's nice that you can be so sure of this fact. And I'm not saying we're going to destroy the earth. I don't know if we can. But I'm not going to state flat-out that we can't.

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  2. This site is so much fun. There is a right wing lunatic that call himself Karl Rove and spends 24 hours on this site! rofl!:


    Montana Lyons - "Censorship Boy," Afraid of free speech - A sad record of liberal paranoia and hate.
    Posted by Karl Rove on May 9, 2006 - 19:37.
    Attention everyone!

    Montana Lyons, aka "censorship boy" has engaged in a campaign to "censor" posts which he "doesn't like."

    This thread is being created to ensure that everyone can read those posts "censored" by a liberal who is SUPPOSEDLY "for" FREE SPEECH.

    The below posts are those which Montana Lyons has UNSUCCESSFULLY attempted to "censor":


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    Karl Rove Says:
    May 9, 2006 - 19:51
    Sure CENSORSHIP boy! Since all you DO is engage in AD HOMENEM attacks on this site -- for which you were BANNED for a week by the way. Hope you had nice VACATION! LOL! -- and apparently can't STAND reading something you "don't like."

    So you resort to CENSORSHIP becuase you are WEAK and INSECURE.

    Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.

    And liberals are supposed to be for "free speech!"

    HA!

    My friend, you get the FIDEL CASTRO "freedom of speech" AWARD for the week!

    “Yet, there is a difference between responsible criticism that aims for success, and defeatism that refuses to acknowledge anything but failure. Hindsight alone is not wisdom, and second-guessing is not a strategy.” - President Bush

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    Montana lyons Says:
    May 9, 2006 - 19:48




    Why don't you write another letter to complain about rude ad hominem attacks, Karl? I guess you have no fear of getting banned and can be as rude as any other right wing fanatic since this site never bans a neoconservative.


    A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

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    Karl Rove Says:
    May 9, 2006 - 19:47
    futbolisgreat Says:May 9, 2006 - 15:40

    Montana Lyons, stop preaching so much and you lead by example...turn off your computer, stop living in a house made out of environmetally "unfriendly" things...stop using electricity, don't ever drive a car or get on any type of public transportation that uses petroleum based products, etc, etc, etc....

    go live in the woods with the birds and trees, etc, etc...

    “Yet, there is a difference between responsible criticism that aims for success, and defeatism that refuses to acknowledge anything but failure. Hindsight alone is not wisdom, and second-guessing is not a strategy.” - President Bush

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    Karl Rove Says:
    May 9, 2006 - 19:46
    Karl Rove Says:May 9, 2006 - 19:28

    No silly... I OWN "tooo funny!"

    Get is straight!

    And RUPERT MURDOCK just BOUGHT Hillary Clinton!

    Hillary Clinton has been BOUGHT and PAID FOR by Rupert Murdock, owner of Fox News!!!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! LOL!!!!

    “Yet, there is a difference between responsible criticism that aims for success, and defeatism that refuses to acknowledge anything but failure. Hindsight alone is not wisdom, and second-guessing is not a strategy.” - President Bush

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    Karl Rove Says:
    May 9, 2006 - 19:45
    You're the one running around "censoring" posts. Ergo, YOU must be the OBSESSED one!

    LOL!

    “Yet, there is a difference between responsible criticism that aims for success, and defeatism that refuses to acknowledge anything but failure. Hindsight alone is not wisdom, and second-guessing is not a strategy.” - President Bush

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    Karl Rove Says:
    May 9, 2006 - 19:44
    Karl Rove Says:May 9, 2006 - 19:18

    Neocons! Neocons! MORE Neocons EVERYWHERE!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    “Yet, there is a difference between responsible criticism that aims for success, and defeatism that refuses to acknowledge anything but failure. Hindsight alone is not wisdom, and second-guessing is not a strategy.” - President Bush

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    Karl Rove Says:
    May 9, 2006 - 19:42
    No CENSORSHIP this time, CENSORSHIP boy?

    HAHAHAHAHAA!!!

    “Yet, there is a difference between responsible criticism that aims for success, and defeatism that refuses to acknowledge anything but failure. Hindsight alone is not wisdom, and second-guessing is not a strategy.” - President Bush

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    Karl Rove Says:
    May 9, 2006 - 19:41
    futbolisgreat Says:May 9, 2006 - 15:47

    exactly jack, but you know that crazed out individuals like Montana wouldn't mind that...hey cut human life span, as long as we are nice to the environment, right?

    these environmentalist whackos...the problem is that they are too far gone to reason with them.

    i mean geez, most of them if not all of them equate a human life to a plant life or an animal life...talk about backward, crazy talk...

    honestly, I can see montana lyons beating the living daylights out of his kids because they killed a fly..."oh no, the ecosystem just got screwed up kids! you morons, now what are we going to do?!"

    “Yet, there is a difference between responsible criticism that aims for success, and defeatism that refuses to acknowledge anything but failure. Hindsight alone is not wisdom, and second-guessing is not a strategy.” - President Bush

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    Montana lyons Says:
    May 9, 2006 - 19:41




    hmmm, how does a neocon define obsessed?



    A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

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    Karl Rove Says:
    May 9, 2006 - 19:40
    OH I think they're HILARIOUS! And now Montana Lyons has resorted to CENSORSHIP ("moderating") of Posts he doesn't "like!" (see my post above... "Neocons, Neocons everywhere!", which silly ML "moderated" cus he didin't like the "content". What a BABY!)

    So much for liberals being FOR "free speech!"

    HA! Too funny!!!!

    ROFLMAO!

    “Yet, there is a difference between responsible criticism that aims for success, and defeatism that refuses to acknowledge anything but failure. Hindsight alone is not wisdom, and second-guessing is not a strategy.” - President Bush

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    This post was "censored" by "censorship boy" Montana Lyons. by Karl Rove

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