Where's the National Guard??

Watching In Shock From Afar

BAGHDAD, Sept. 1, 2005
Katrina Hits La. GIs In Iraq
Capt. Terence Ryan of the Louisiana National Guard, on The Early Show Thursday (Photo: CBS/EARLY SHOW)

"I've been to (Operation) Desert Storm (in the first Gulf War) and deployed overseas prior to this, but this pretty much takes the cake."
Capt. Terence Ryan, Louisiana National Guard

(CBS) Soldiers from the Louisiana National Guard are in New Orleans, taking part in rescue and relief efforts in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

But nearly 3,000 of their comrades can't help. They're thousands of miles away, deployed in Iraq.

CBS News correspondent Lara Logan reports from Baghdad that many have lost their houses back home, and they're anxious about the safety of loved ones.

When they're not out on combat operations or doing their jobs in Iraq, Logan says, they've been glued to the TV, "watching in shock from afar."

One is Capt. Terence Ryan, who tells Logan, "We're still just looking at each other, goin', 'Is this really happening?' We know about it. We've seen pictures. But it really hasn't hit yet."

Ryan and his fellow soldiers from the Louisiana National Guard have endured a long and difficult year in Iraq and, says Logan, just as they were gearing up to go home, the disaster hit.

Asked if it's the most devastating thing that's ever happened to him, Ryan says, "Most definitely. I've been to (Operation) Desert Storm (in the first Gulf War) and deployed overseas prior to this, but this pretty much takes the cake."

Ryan was looking forward to being home in his newly-rebuilt house, but the whole parish of St. Bernard, where he lives, is now gone, and he's just relieved his family is safe.

"I saw some aerial photos of my house," he says. "The water's over the roof."

Noting that Ryan said that with a smile on his face, Logan says, "I know you're not smiling inside, though."

"No," Ryan says, "you're not smiling inside, but you just gotta — what can you do? You go home and you work through, day to day, whatever each day offers, and you take it and try to rebuild."

As grueling as their time in Iraq has been, Capt. Ryan says what they've learned there is patience. And that patience is helping them deal with the crisis back home.

Logan puts it simply: "No one would ever doubt your commitment to your mission here. You guys have been here a long time and made a lot of sacrifices. But, if you could choose where you could be right now, where would that be?"

"Most definitely being home with my family," Ryan says, "and helping the Louisiana soldiers, and the other soldiers from around the states, helping out with the tragedy back home."

The last few weeks are always a tough time of a deployment for soldiers, Logan says, but these will be especially tough for the Louisiana National Guard.

Friday in a wonderful orbit,
Our football team lost again and Mark said that he can't remember our team scoring since he came to this wonderful community. I feel so good about everything and wanted to at least chat with you knowing that you might be wondering about where I've been. I feel the land of enchantment so very often when I look at the stars, the sunsets, and the emerging moon hiding behind the clouds of the monsoons. It's finally wonderful knowing that I have computer access to all of you in cyberspace. I feel better about everything in this community than I have ever have before but I know how often everything appears to be great at the start... even the year that I had to deal with the children of the corn cheerleaders from Chickasha...they were continually making prank phone calls to my house the summer after that regrettable year ..it continued until one of the little darling forgot to dial *67 while they were over at the rich Noveu Riche jewelers home for a slumber party.

I always worry about the premonition of the worst happening instead of learning to enjoy the moment while we are here in this short span of life grateful that I am finally here almost thinking that I wouldn't even go that far. The paper work intimidates me the most. At this point it's actually getting work verification from 2 schools in order to get the states new license at level 2. It is a long tedious process of waiting for the renewal of the Oklahoma license in order to get the credit for 7 years of teaching in that great state or what.

I have done so much in the last month and relaying my new life or new orbit around the Okie Zone to Muffy. The electron has to get into an excited state before he jumps into that next orbit. Travel and new adventures makes me feel much younger than I really am sometimes! Fraulein Schmidt, my ballroom dance partner on Wednesday evening in town at the college, says I am emotionally much younger, when another slightly younger dancer (maybe only a couple of decades) was inquiring about me. (I'm sure M can also attest to emotional maturity since I'm the only adult in her life that she disrespects, and then reminding her that I'll be 60 in only a few months more than a decade!

I have been having these wonderful epiphenies about this move and the wonderful things I can do to really help these students. I want so badly to give a good impression and help these students more than I ever have. I feel that I can be such a wonderful asset to this community!
I only have 2 students now but I know that I can really reach them. We have a long way to go but I we have nowhere to go but better! I want to even try to start a creative writing class and especially help the chess club go to another state championship even though 4 seniors graduated last year. 3 of the 4 won Gates Millenium scholarships!

Well, it's 10 Pm on a Friday night and maybe I might be able to catch a few of my collegues before they go to bed. I have to get up early on Saturday for this class on the best way to safely deal with a violent students. (only 2 incidents this week, and I thought that I effectively handled them. I'll ask one student to write about the situation as a letter. I'll even help him write it and see if we might be able to lessen his consequence. Besides learning an effective social and psychologically healthy skill, he will learn to write effectively. Writing helped getting over the emotional trauma of redneck Bubbas for 2 decades in the deeply crimson O Zone ;)

Maybe I will catch you all later. It's funny how just even getting on this blog after a few weeks is like having a good heart to heart chat with a long lost gf.
Well, I guess I'll head back to Buffy. She's in her 3rd week of being in heat but at least she's not bleeding anymore. I don't want her to get pregnant yet.
I'm still a little paranoid that a few of my many enemies(?) or the normal backstabbing folks that would thouroughly enjoy seeing my demise might read this site and make an attempt to find out where I'm teaching. I still get those hangup calls no matter where I go almost like I can predict it so why give them that pleasure and not even answer the call or just put it on speaker until I hear a voice. I even wonder if those blokes on the www.hereinreality.com might cut and paste somethings from this site to the tagboard. That tagboard still is as hilarious as ever!
lata mates...
I want to tell you all so much more!

Saturday;
It's almost nice to relax and decide that I don't have to drive into the city 35 miles away and can relax in this almost utopic community. You think there is no such thing but on a percentage basis of cool places to live, if even for just a visit of a year while extending the orbit around the O Zone (Hey that's another cool name! ;), I might list this as one of the coolest places to live!
criteria??
1. Other teachers share the same views about politics.
2. One can criticize Bush without fear of violence or even subliminal hatred from closed minded Bubbamentalists.
3. Many of us walk to school...it's only about 1 to 3 tenths of a mile away!
4. A beautiful vista of the desert, wild desert flowers and cacti flowering after the "monsoons"
and being in the shadow of the mountains.
5. Many of us subconciously or conciously feel we are on a mission or missionaries without the Republican Jesus to telling us what to do!
6. The everchanging vistas as our sun fingerpaints our clouds after hiding behind our Serendipachi mountains. (no wonder so much romance and eventuall marriage seems to blossom in this place when other feel the enchantment together while holding hands watching the sunset).
7. There is a kind of loneliness that seems to permeate when sometimes you feel all alone in the desert kissing the feet of the mountains, but our few cul de sacs are almost intimately close, yet we can have privacy without our own perpective of the mountains in our back yard. It is easy to seek the comfort and companionship of others. (platonically of course, M)
8. When walking our dogs, we smile and talk sometime chat with our neighbors. ( canines are almost as part of a teacher's survival kit (?)

11. We can walk our dogs in our fenced in utopia, with relatively little fear of the fearsome petroleum monsters that rob of our money, territory, social lives and time!, besides killing our dogs and the poor puppies trying to survive on road kill by old highway 666. Most of us just walk rather than get in our cars when the most we might walk is about half of a mile to watch our undefeating football team.
9. Often when visiting other houses they invite us in and we have warm hospitality, chow and often tasty libations while pursuing topics as deep as the Medici's being either nobility or Noveu Riche when we get tired of bashing Bush.
10. You are able to enjoy the company of others with no worries about tipping the cold frigid bartendress.

lata mates!

Sunday 630 pm
Now I'm feeling a little down, sorry that M isn't here to enjoy the view of the mountain, as we relax in our daily lives, both enjoying the challenge of working together for a common mission.
I can see us both as teachers in different schools. Our friends come visit us for the adventure of exploring some Anistase ruins. We visit and entertain the guests in our small home while cooking the most delicious fish on the grill and various dishes for our guests to enjoy together.
Buffy greets the guests in our quaint humble home. We go back and soak together in the warm metal tub warmed by the fire in the hole. We have a glass of wine while looking at the dark sky illuminated by the half moon and stars.
We enjoy the country desert vibe together and assimilate the philosophy of the culture.

So what causes depression for me??

Waking from the dreams of so much happiness ...

Feeling sorry that other folks are enjoying things while you are letting so many fun chances to fill your DVD pass you by, if only for a chance visit,

you miss all these chances
to hold hands while we see the sun hide behind the mountains,
before She paints our skies as all our ancestors cherished these views
adding to the world's exapanding consiousness


Tuesday:

Sometimes, I want to write to you wondering what's going on in your mind. How your life is compared to mine. I have no idea how many readers that I have now. If I knew more, it would almost motivate me to write a whole bunch more. Some of my readers, even the angry ones may send a comment. I am actually feeling thoughtful.


In this beautifully desolate desert, I contemplate my own future and destiny, wondering if wonderful things are in store for us (Buffy, me and maybe someone else). The desolation does cause me to do a great deal of thinking. I am still so happy that I took the plunge and I'm immersing myself into this culture while still having the safety and almost santity of the teacheridge. All of us share this campus (maybe 100 acres(?) with the elementary, middle and high schools)... this little village within a small village. We walk our dogs and visit with our neighbors, folks from all over the world, Russians, Phillipines, Navaho's, peace corp travellers, Australian blooded, etc....

The sun peaks into my portable trailer opening the doors to knowledge. I wonder if I can be their guide to what the rest of the world is about. I want to help them to give faith in their own lives while I also look for guidance in my own search for the person that I want be happiest with.

It's been two weeks and I'm immersing myself while still taking care of the little items that sometimes seem to bog me down.

1. Finish getting verifications of work

2. Call the state department for my Oklahoma license and see if the renewal is on the way.

3. Take everything to Personell with a bunch of flowers for the lady who's been helping me get it all together. I've had to visit her a few times still not getting all of it right as far as the proper licence and get credit for the seven years in the great state or what?

4. call the health clinic in KC to finally get another refill of addaboy. I've made those pills stretch a whole year almost!

5. Make good, efficient and effective lesson plans especially working with the young men on violence prevention skills (don't visit redneck bars in Oklahoma!)

6. Make sure that I'm getting the right foods so that I can even learn to cook a little bit and even share my delicasies(??) with the neighbors

"White man from town"; Thursday 11:43
I just finished chatting with Muffy. It would be so nice for her to be here but she thinks about what a mess my spartan place already is! When I move into the other villa with a view of my Serendipachi mountain in my backyard, Ill make a point of keeping it as clean and uncluttered as I can for her. I know how she feels about clutter!

Today has been an ok day. I hope to make a real difference in these children's lives!
I need to get some sleep!

Thursday 10:40 Sometimes, I want to talk to you so bad but the paranoia that someone will find out about the blog at school and then maybe they already do?? They might stare at you a few seconds longer like the alkeys at Henry Hudsons (Muffy says that Im more productive because there isn't a corner pub to distract you!)
I felt so good that I have actually accomplished alot this weeks. I'm prooving to myself that I can do so many things. I feel that I've barely skimmed the surface of my deep knowledge of talent. There are so many things that I have done that I need to share with the world.
This has been a long week without the students. They are not showing up since the funeral. I felt more a part of the community yet still a total outsider. I'm beginnning to know more about the culture. One of the parents of a disruptive student is a medicine man and he warmed up to me after being a little angry in defense of his son. He was telling me that he went to the school and could have been in the olympics in the mile. I'm excited about him coming to see my kids!

I've done so much this week. I felt that I wrote a kick ass lesson plan along with an article about dealing with loss. I was prepared to talk to the kids and still will about learning to deal with this vacuum. I was saying to Betty Lou, my assistant and another grandma who was subbing for my class how I learned to give to others (students) as a way to heal and get my mind off my own misery.
These poor children here have so many heart breaks. I feel that I can reach them sometimes and that is what makes us want to go on!
I wrote 2 IEPS about students that I haven't even met yet and I sat in to watch the Iep expert from town handle a meeting. Laura has been especially nice to me and gave a wonderful compliment to McBeth about how well written my Ieps were. It made me feel good the way I attacked those documents on the computer so efficiently! It took me about 3 hours each.


a year later

My political viewpoint is
Posted by NB Staff on August 25, 2006 - 15:15.
Conservative all around

54% (768 votes)
Libertarian conservative

31% (440 votes)
Social conservative

4% (57 votes)
Libertarian

3% (39 votes)
Moderate

5% (72 votes)
Liberal

1% (11 votes)
Leftist

0% (5 votes)
Paleoconservative

1% (18 votes)
Other

2% (25 votes)
Total votes: 1435
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rhayes Says:
August 26, 2006 - 00:50
Another idiotic rant by crazed, err... rhayes.

Is that neocon logic or just an imitation of the hot air personalities of fox?

I guess when folks on this site start losing arguments they call them lunatic libs as if that helps their argument more?? I guess if this were on TV you would be just talking over me louder like Ohannity does so well, so the poor lib victim can't get a word in edgewise.

"you can have the last word"

and Oreilly interupts him and never lets him speak.

Maybe you haven't noticed but the US National Debt has been rising for DECADES, and there is no reason to believe it will EVER be going down, and it doesn't need to, since we keep GROWING

yeah, no worries, mate! we wont have to ever pay. our kids and their kids will! neocon logic is hilarious!

or is that the american logic , buy now , we can alway pay later. If we can't we'll just claim bankruptcy. no worries!

ps. watch, another addition to the neocon definition- when a fox neocon starts losing , they add more insults and then cut them off or try by telling to shut up.

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SportPolitics Says:
August 26, 2006 - 00:46
well rhayes, now will you shutup- or make a fool of yourself some more ?

Don't answer. I already know the answer.

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SportPolitics Says:
August 26, 2006 - 00:45
If libertarains thought you'd be right rhayes, they would cheer:

rhayes in his crazed over the top rhetoric idiot spew>[ nothing will go for social services , nothing will go to the people for their humongus taxes ]

You're out of control rhayes.

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SportPolitics Says:
August 26, 2006 - 00:43
rhayes, once again you haven't a clue...

Big Business is 20% of the US economy.

That means 80% is NOT.

Get your moronic liberal talking points in line with reality sometime in the near future, will you ?

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rhayes Says:
August 26, 2006 - 00:42
congrats , sport, you win some fry bread! one neocon name gets buried verses a thousand so called "libs". I wondered whatever happened to him?

I thought that the unwritten (?) rules of the site never pertained to him.

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SportPolitics Says:
August 26, 2006 - 00:40
Another idiotic rant by crazed, err... rhayes.

Maybe you haven't noticed but the US National Debt has been rising for DECADES, and there is no reason to believe it will EVER be going down, and it doesn't need to, since we keep GROWING.

Only the very lowest of the senseless haven't figured that much out yet.

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rhayes Says:
August 26, 2006 - 00:39
I mean aren't conservatives and republicans all about beating out the little guys and hoarding money and stuff.

exactly! couldnt have said it better myself.

Oh and shopping at Walmart who beats up moms and pops.. but again if they beat up all the mom and pop operation then who is left to shop there? If mom and pop stores used to cater to all the little guys where did the little guys go?

yeah how did we possibly exist when little folks had their own businesses. back in the good ole days when there weren't multinational news media station to tell you what to believe in..when the little man got something back from the government for his a much smaller amount paid in taxes

back when politicians won the elections fairly without a media station to brainwashed by...how did the little man exist??

or did they turn into bug guys who are now meanie heads who stomp on? who exactly?

??? translation please?? back when rich folks actually knew how to write!

But no matter I'm rich I'm rich I'm really really rich. ahh!


~lbcdawn Religion is about doing. Christianity is about done.

congratulations on having lots of money. Thats what its all about here, aint it?

and maybe explain that quote that you throw in too?? does that mean blessed are the rich??

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SportPolitics Says:
August 26, 2006 - 00:32
You lose again moron rhayes.

Karl Rove.

You also tried to change your tune, you were wrong then and you're wrong again.

I'm not your mate, and never will be, either.

Most idiot liberals are smarter than you, they aren't here, and never have been. Think about it.

Don't worry crybaby, you'll have more hater friends to lie and obfuscate, and be incorrect, along with you soon.

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rhayes Says:
August 26, 2006 - 00:29
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black

Didnt I say this old line yesterday ?? Im flattered.

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rhayes Says:
August 26, 2006 - 00:23



That's it for now, but if you have an actual rebuttal concerning my correcting of your stupidity when it comes to the number of liberals here or this sites purpose, instead of a ranting confabulation, let me know.

My dog, Buffy, has more intelligence than you sport! (uh, I just responded back with an insult to your thousand insults. I guess that gets a neocon version of a lib on this site banned , so that now less than 1 percent will be allowed to air their views)

as ive told you before,mate, most libs get banned on this site because they are not saints and when a feeding frenzy starts, they sometimes insult back. Under the double neocon standard,they get banned. Neocons are allowed to stay since they were the ones sending the letters complaining to their brothers in charge. A succesful nazicon genocide of the liberal species! Goebbels would be proud!

as long as you aren't indoctrinating or molesting the children.

a poor lib would get banned for making a remark like that but name me a neocon that gets banned from this site and I'll sell you some fry bread!

keep gettin indoctrinated by Fox! Rupert would be proud!

lata sport!

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rhayes Says:
August 26, 2006 - 00:04


Hence my disappointment in the present Congress and administration in not doing more to pay down the national debt so that we can get an even larger tax break in the future by dispensing with the 15% of outlays that go to financing the debt (interest

way to go , unsane! first criticism of this "great" neocon administration I've seen from you!

so we are going to reduce taxes still and america will paying this debt for this stupid war (to profit the good oil boy network and Hallibut) till year 3000! ...so our future taxes will continue to increase the military because might makes right, nothing will go for social services , nothing will go to the people for their humongus taxes but we'll still have the most powerful military in the world!

our taxes will be paying a thousand year mortgage! That sure makes neocon sense!


"Moderat ion is the key to and long and healthy life!" anonymous moderate centenarian born during the Teddy Roosevelt ( the great national park conservative )administration

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MikeB Says:
August 25, 2006 - 23:46
Yo, hater....baaaaaa!


"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan

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pbdmiller Says:
August 25, 2006 - 23:13
"You blokes are so hyporcritical it's funny!"

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Sheesh.

Peace through superior firepower, baby, yeah! (no violence mentioned here)

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sarcasmo Says:
August 25, 2006 - 23:07
What's wrong with making fun of hater? He lies, so I get to make fun of him!
JMR

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lbcdawn Says:
August 25, 2006 - 23:07
I don't know what your problem is I just found out I'm rich I'm rich I'm very very rich! After all I send my kids to a private school and I am FOR vouchers.. but newsflash my kids are not in an accredited school sooo I would most likely be ineligible for the vouchers. But ooh ooh I'm rich I'm rich I'm rich.. I wonder if I can take that to the bank?

WHat I want to know is since I am so rich and a meanie headed conservative who wants to keep there money and not do humanitarian like things then why do I want vouchers? Wouldn't I really just want to keep the good education for my own children thereby disallowing the *poor* to have good stuff. I mean aren't conservatives and republicans all about beating out the little guys and hoarding money and stuff. Oh and shopping at Walmart who beats up moms and pops.. but again if they beat up all the mom and pop operation then who is left to shop there? If mom and pop stores used to cater to all the little guys where did the little guys go? or did they turn into bug guys who are now meanie heads who stomp on? who exactly?

But no matter I'm rich I'm rich I'm really really rich. ahh!


~lbcdawn Religion is about doing. Christianity is about done.

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mikecali80 Says:
August 25, 2006 - 23:04
I'm a Larry Elder conservative so i checked libertarian conservative. You know I just love it when liberals are out of power and they run their mouths about the debt. Of course they know as conservatives, these republicans in congress are going against our principles by spending like drunken sailors but I will tell you what if the liberals were in power.

It would only be worse they love expanding government their just mad they dont have their administration. Can somebody from the left please explain to me why we keep hearing about Reagan running up the defecit when every single one but one he proposed was below what the budget The liberal government passed. As what was once said when he was in power the bills he sent up were dead on arrival. As far as Clinton balancing the budget please nice try he did it under a republican congress that passed the bill for him to sign. I agree that spending is out of control but we all know the only answer you will ever get from democrats is slash our defense down to nothing abolish the military come up with department of the peace to solve foriegn affairs and raise taxes. Please Hayes stop insulting our intelligence with your daily talking lines from dailybs and moveonpleaseyoulost.org

The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
Ronald Reagan

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SportPolitics Says:
August 25, 2006 - 23:02
because: "Beware of the Military Industrial Complex !"

The lib has turned the warning into a visionary bake sale fund.

Spending on education has vastly increased under President George W Bush, but don't expect the idiot liberal to ever admit it. BDS requires hatred, lies, and stupidity, and of course results in increasing the power of revulsion the average American feels when he or she hears the word " liberal". I know firsthand.

"Moderation is the key to a long and healthy life" - the Bible

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RJ Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:59
rhayes does plagiarize a lot, Sport, and he did it again just above Unsane's post. It's easy to recognize when he plagiarizes, because the IQ goes up considerably.

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Unsane Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:53
From a t-shirt I saw one time: "Kill a commie for your mommy."

That sums up my views towards communists!

"The vice of capitalism is that there is an unequal share of the blessings; the virtue of socialism is that there is an equal share of the misery." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)

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lbcdawn Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:52
well see its like this if I put my ear really really close and listen really really carefully.. lol Actually its not an old book its the Word of God!

I took sarcs quiz and it put me as a conservative.. how surprising.

~lbcdawn Religion is about doing. Christianity is about done.

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SportPolitics Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:52
I'm just wondering where rhayes plagiarized that post from. Wiki ever let us know ?

Oh, that's right, his definition is that childish lunatic version that says conservatives are never open to ideas and then add the hateful rhetoric.

Anyone else notice how many citations are needed at wiki for their paleo-c definition ? lol


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JAB Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:49
Unsane, I can agree with that, but if they (any visitors) had half a brain cell they can see the ineptitude (from the left (for them most part)) for themselves as we have and make decisions based on that.

Foot note to Bal, your better than that last congenial statement.

Too Bad Ignorance isn't painful, to the ignorant!

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Free Stinker Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:46
I will not been mean to moderates.

I will not been mean to moderates.

I will not been mean to moderates.

I will not been mean to moderates.

I will not been mean to moderates.

AARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!

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balboa Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:39
Now you know how I feel! :-p

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tumbler Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:37
Hate is a verb. You ought to know the word is hatred, not hate. If you understood English you'd deserve a better job somewhere.

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tumbler Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:33
rhayes' version of the facts: "They can control the masses and believe lies better if the proletariat are ignorant and uneducated."

It really has the old Commintern ring to it, doesn't it? "The masses"". ''Proletariat''.

Why don't you add the derogatory "lumpenproletariat" to your tirade? You would be the better Stalinist for it. Go all the way, hayesie

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RJ Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:32
That's childish and full of hate, rhayes, but then you're childish and full of hate, so it doesn't surprise me.

While moonbat is a pejorative, neocon is a political label. Are you capable of posting a grownup definition of neocon?

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Unsane Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:32
My apologies...but in this battle, I cannot stand idly by and let blind propaganda go by unanswered and unattacked. Not to change rhayes' delusions, but for other readers of this site who may be passing through.

"The vice of capitalism is that there is an unequal share of the blessings; the virtue of socialism is that there is an equal share of the misery." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)

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SportPolitics Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:31
BTW rhayes, the reason "liberal" is considered almost a swearword by the vast majority of the American populace is because the liberal democrats have taken looney positions on so many issues and have been contradicting themselves and lying their fool heads off for too long, and have acquired that stereotype through their own dishonesty and ignorance and stupidity.

Take for instance your stupid raging rant about liberals being at a 1% vote because they get banned here, and compare your stupidity to my analysis. The very first thing any non-moron realizes is the liberal won't be a common rat at a site that exposes liberal bias in the media. You failed even that, being of course, a raging liberal loon, who, just as anyone knows, had to play the liberal democrat victim card, instead of displaying a single shred of common sense. It didn't take Rush Limbaugh or Fox News to tell me this, I saw it firsthand. You've only helped shred a bit more any sort of credibility "the liberals" have left. No matter what "you hate" whine you enter into, I have seen the direct evidence of your palpably ignorant foolishness, and irresponsive refusal to acknowledge the error, if you even can muster the sobriety to recognize it as such.

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Unsane Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:29
closeminded ignorance. They only desire to hear one side of the news (ie fox) and close off all other sources. Care to explain why I give equal time to CBC, BBC, and foreign sources that make no bones about being biased like The Economist? Speaking of closeminded ignorance, you have yet to explain your fear of ONE news channel out of MANY who itself has a multitude of Leftists on its payroll to balance out the Rightists.

They claim to be fiscally conservative but in the same breath believe that we should spend all our future generations money on war while cutting back on everything else that helps the people especially education. You have no idea how LITTLE we spend on defense, compared to other countries. But then, what else can I expect of one that is spoiled (not by your upbringing) by the economy and freedoms he enjoys?

Defense DOES help people. If it didn't, you would be teaching in Russian, German, or some other language, and you would know the true meaning of tyranny. I have fed far more people than you have, and that is because I have worked aircraft taking food and supplies to victims of disasters. No thanks necessary.

Throwing money at education might fatten your paycheck but it doesn't magically turn out better students. If this were the case, then the DC schools should be, by your logic, turning out a vast army of Einsteins, Mozarts, and Flemings - but instead they are turning out functional illiterates. Care to explain this? I can go on and on about education - I am working on a bit of a "thesis" on the subject - but I would crash the server in doing so.

They can control the masses and believe lies better if the proletariat are ignorant and uneducated. Proof positive of you attacking the Right for what the Left is doing, and has been doing for years. Who do you think has been running education for the past half-century? Not conservatives, and surely not people who have any interest in teaching people to critically think and think for themselves.

The rich can send their children to private schools so they believe in school vouchers. Again with your intense, overwhelming, passionate hatred of ANYONE who dares make a dime more than you! What, rhayes, are you bent because you think you should be treated like a multi-trillionaire for doing humantarian work that you knew going in did not pay all that well. As for school vouchers and private schools: we NEED competition in order to make you lazy, incompetent teachers actually WORK at TEACHING students for a change! (If you are already doing this you have nothing to fear, no?)

This country should shove democracy down the throats of countries that are not ready for it - you racist. Were the Japanese and Koreans "not ready" for democracy in the 1940s and 1950s? Why is democracy only good enough for you? but tighten up the reigns of our own freedom in this country under the guise of the patriot act. I for one would like to see an example of this. They won't be happy until they have full control of the media and only allow the government's spin on everything. Your parroting skills are amazing. Too bad they aren't matched by critical thinking skills, because clearly in your case they are nonexistent.

Say! If you hate government control of the media, I take it you fully back the full privatizing of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, right?


"The vice of capitalism is that there is an unequal share of the blessings; the virtue of socialism is that there is an equal share of the misery." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)

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tumbler Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:28
"my definition of neocon-

closeminded ignorance. They only desire to hear one side of the news (ie fox) and close off all other sources. They claim to be fiscally conservative but in the same breath believe that we should spend all our future generations money on war while cutting back on everything else that helps the people especially education. They can control the masses and believe lies better if the proletariat are ignorant and uneducated." Only a cretin would dare stae this baloney as if it had credence. Yet you wonder why you have to ''defend yourself". --Oh, Boy!

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tumbler Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:26
You are welcome and OK if you're defending yourself. Nobody bans you for that.

But stating your typical Democrat talking points and made-up "facts" as if you speak the truth to a lot of ruffians and blockheads will only get you a large helping of raspberries. Just what you're deserving of. Be a straight arrow, no one will have you "defending" the tripe.

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RJ Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:26
Hey rhayes. Unless I'm wrong, didn't you say you just visited Australia for a few months but you're not from there? If that's the case, why the constant "mates" and "blokes"?

It reminds me of Madonna affecting a phony English accent shortly after moving there. Are you the NewsBuster's Madonna, rhayes?

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Free Stinker Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:16

If this place is so terrible why do you come here?

Do you have masochistic tendancies? Or do you enjoy being educated in history, economics, and logic?

Since we're so awfull, we'll just have to stop replying to you and offending your tender feelings.


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pbdmiller Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:08
Don't step in a land mine!

Peace through superior firepower, baby, yeah!

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Unsane Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:07
It's too cut-and-dried, really. I don't get too worked up about the social issues, but when it comes to money, I am an uncompromising fiscal conservative. Hence my disappointment in the present Congress and administration in not doing more to pay down the national debt so that we can get an even larger tax break in the future by dispensing with the 15% of outlays that go to financing the debt (interest).

And since I believe - no, KNOW - that the United States is a force for good in the world - I always push for the United States to have a strong military, just in case diplomacy fails (it normally does) and force is needed to resolve an issue. Unlike some Leftists, I know violence can and does solve many problems and while distasteful, it should be done if needed.

"The vice of capitalism is that there is an unequal share of the blessings; the virtue of socialism is that there is an equal share of the misery." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)

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SportPolitics Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:03
lol- poor rhayes - at least he is not on US soil for the better part of the day.

In other words I was correct in my analysis, and rhayes whined he feels hated, even though he was also absolutely incorrect.

1% rhayes, and BTW the jobs educating the disadvantaged here are rolled over 5 times a year. I suppose the only place you could actually secure a permanent one is on a reservation. I also suspect you aren't even a US citizen now, or perhaps an angry Ward Churchill type, or ward of some claimed to be opressed tribe. Glad you at least found a group to work with that won't easily prove their wits outmatch yours. When you tell me you recieve no pay for your job, I'll give you some humanitarian credit, as long as you aren't indoctrinating or molesting the children.

That's it for now, but if you have an actual rebuttal concerning my correcting of your stupidity when it comes to the number of liberals here or this sites purpose, instead of a ranting confabulation, let me know.

PS- Nice raging left loon quip about Rush since you felt that suddenly you'd achieve credibility by not mentioning Fox News. roflmao - pathetic !

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rhayes Says:
August 25, 2006 - 22:03
Hey rhayes! Let's see your definition of "neocon". No stupid cracks, just YOUR definition of neocon. Betcha you can't do it.


my definition of neocon-

closeminded ignorance. They only desire to hear one side of the news (ie fox) and close off all other sources. They claim to be fiscally conservative but in the same breath believe that we should spend all our future generations money on war while cutting back on everything else that helps the people especially education. They can control the masses and believe lies better if the proletariat are ignorant and uneducated. The rich can send their children to private schools so they believe in school vouchers.

This country should shove democracy down the throats of countries that are not ready for it , but tighten up the reigns of our own freedom in this country under the guise of the patriot act. They won't be happy until they have full control of the media and only allow the government's spin on everything.

I'll continue later but I'm taking my dog for a walk to see the beautiful sunset go over the mountains of the Rez!

lata mates! ;)

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JAB Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:58
LET'S ALL quite feeding the "hater" troll and get back to the thread subject, it's past his bedtime anyway.

Too Bad Ignorance isn't painful, to the ignorant!

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JAB Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:55
Hey short timer, you never answered my question earlier and I made sure my cloaking devise was turned off before I posted.

Too Bad Ignorance isn't painful, to the ignorant!

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Ten7s Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:55
If you don't like this site, then let me be the first to invite you to leave. And like I said before, quit plagiarizing.

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Unsane Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:54
Wouldn't it be nice if we had to have a bake sale to buy bombs?? rhayes, I KNOW after reading this you will be a hit among the citizens of Carthage. Why not go there and tell their government this amazing wisdom? I will fully cover your round-trip airfare. (apologies to Heinlein)

He wouldn't kiss the asses of corporations and the military especially since he was a general himself Thanks for the straight-up admission that you hate me, others in the military who post here, and those, past and present, who have worked tirelessly (and perhaps at the cost of their own life) to guarantee your freedom to post such Leftist idealist tripe.

"The vice of capitalism is that there is an unequal share of the blessings; the virtue of socialism is that there is an equal share of the misery." -Sir Winston Churchill, British statesman (1874-1965)

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rhayes Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:50
plagiarizing!!

I only added to your list!

I don't regurgitate the fox spinmeisters (liars) like most of you do on your site.

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rhayes Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:48
Many liberals advocate a greater degree of government interference in the free market, often in the form of anti-discrimination laws, civil service examinations, universal education, and progressive taxation

I also don't agree with increasing taxation and spending especially on the military. I am fiscally conservative,(Aussies are famous for being tight) but spending money on education should be our priority. Wouldn't it be nice if we had to have a bake sale to buy bombs??

Eisenhower was the last true old line conservative that I really liked. He wouldn't kiss the asses of corporations and the military especially since he was a general himself. He knew what was happening was happening with the corruption in the military. He was a visionary.



"Moderat ion is the key to and long and healthy life!" anonymous moderate centenarian born during the Teddy Roosevelt ( the great national park conservative )administration

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Ten7s Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:41
Quit plagiarizing, rhayes. And if you don't understand, look it up...

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pbdmiller Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:40
"Yep, I do care about humanity." (as long as there are no conservatives involved, right?)

"I wouldn't be teaching special ed and emotionally disturbed kids on a reservation if I didn't. "(Congratulations- you are humanitarian of the year! Keep up the good work since no one cares more than you)

"I wonder what the incidence of heart attacks and strokes is among hate filled angry neocons" ( Just can't stop caring. When is the last time you had YOUR ticker checked?)

Peace through superior firepower, baby, yeah! (no mention of violence here)

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JAB Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:40
Hey rhayes, were you not invited here by a poster by the name of "hater" on another site to disrupt this site (what number are your members up to now)?

See, you and your fellow "haters" have been exposed here and we know what the scoop is and where your motives lye - your time may be limited here.

Too Bad Ignorance isn't painful, to the ignorant!

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bigtimer Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:38
my, my, my, rhayes...you are my sunshine....you do good work...pat on head to ya!

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rhayes Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:36
If they respond and behaved with insults the way many angry neocons do on on this site they Bal and the few other token "libs" would have been banned along time ago.... What right winger has ever been banned from here for his/her insults?

even Mathew enjoys insulting the "lunatic left" and getting a kick out of making fun of hater

You blokes are so hyporcritical it's funny!

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rhayes Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:31

Said the caring lover of humanity. Thank you and God bless you. Peace through superior firepower, baby, yeah!

Yep, I do care about humanity. I wouldn't be teaching special ed and emotionally disturbed kids on a reservation if I didn't.

They are very angry too and I question their anger. I encourage one student to take it out his hostilities in football rather than violence. His blood pressure is already high and he's only 17.

I wonder what the incidence of heart attacks and strokes is among hate filled angry neocons especially ones that mention God and violence in the same breath.

Aren't they just like the angry Moslem fundamentalists filled with hate too??

they mention God and violence in the same breath too!

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pbdmiller Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:29
Thank God for small favors.

Peace through superior firepower, baby, yeah!

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bigtimer Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:27
rhayes...you are my sunshine!

Thanks! Thank all your buddies too...you keep my side of the aisle in the majority!

I count on you and your ilk!

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pbthinker Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:25
Well, I'm not a "kill a commie for Christ" Conservative, but I'm a Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Conservative.



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bigtimer Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:23
sarc! I can't believe this! I was looking for a place to ask you if you still had that quiz for some people to take to see how they fared...I loved it for the most part! It was definitely me!

Glad you posted it again!


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pbdmiller Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:21
emotionally disturbed closeminded neocons

You and others only add to the polarity of america

you only appear to clone the other neocons that preach hate

the lies and hate that your site represents

Said the caring lover of humanity. Thank you and God bless you.

Peace through superior firepower, baby, yeah!

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rhayes Says:
August 25, 2006 - 21:16




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sarcasmo Says:
August 25, 2006 - 20:55
I believe it was David Nolan (ancient incarnations of the chart were called "the Nolan Chart."). One of the interesting things about the chart is how-willing the Advocates for Self-Government (which are to the Libertarians as Brookings is to Democrats & as Heritage is to Republicans -- all politically-owned thinktanks) have been to change and adapt the questions shaping the chart, in a continuing effort to gain accuracy often even when it came at the expense of libertarian political rhetoric, and despite seemingly constant accusations that it's deliberately-inaccurate/biased somehow. Anyway, just having a personal freedom axis & an economic freedom axis is an enormous leap forward compared to a braindead left-right line, because the quiz makes people actually think for themselves politically, instead of focusing on looks/personality/speaking-style/etc. which is much-easier than that nasty thinking-stuff. It would be interesting if this site posted a multi-quiz with dots for each of us, as it's easy to say where mine would be (the apex) but the rest of the shotgun-pattern like distribution is invariably an interesting surprise...
JMR

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we are not amused Says:
August 25, 2006 - 20:41
I think that the diamond shaped chart was invented by Dr. Jerry Pournelle, it was in an article he wrote in mid "80's. I don't have the article anymore, so perhaps he was discussing what someone else had come up with. The article made clear however that a proper chart would be very complex and have more that two axis. It is a very interesting exercise however.

I am firmly a Conservative Libertarian, and have been for as long as I have been politicaly aware.


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RJ Says:
August 25, 2006 - 19:52
All this incessent childish whining about "censorship" and "banning" rhayes. But how do you explain your existence on this site? You insult and attack, yet here you are.

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RJ Says:
August 25, 2006 - 19:35
Hey rhayes! Let's see your definition of "neocon". No stupid cracks, just YOUR definition of neocon. Betcha you can't do it.

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sarcasmo Says:
August 25, 2006 - 19:29
Something mindless seems to be going-on...
JMR

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Free Stinker Says:
August 25, 2006 - 19:28

And when was Bal banned from this site?

Oh, that's right, he has manners. Better manners than some of the Conservative like me. But, do the facts matter to you? (I already know the answer)


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Conservative in the Arts Says:
August 25, 2006 - 19:27
how can a 2,000 year old book tell you how to vote?

:)

I got to explain to a friend how someone could be a single issue voter. He could not really understand how anyone could do it. I gave abortion as the example and said that if a canidate lined up with my moral values on abortion, I could most likely trust that his values will line up with mine on other topics. Now that there are so many things out there it's not so easy to be a single issue voter anymore. But the way to say: "I vote the bible" would be the best way to be a single issue voter. And libs hate that kind of single issue voter!

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rhayes Says:
August 25, 2006 - 19:26
Neoconservatives - Bill Kristol, Francis Fukuyama, et. al., social and fiscal moderates, foreign policy idealists, George Bush , Fox news, Rush Limbaugh, Anne coulter

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SportPolitics Says:
August 25, 2006 - 19:26
Gee dummy rhayes- it couldn't be that .... about 1% of liberals think the media has a liberal bias, could it be ?

Exposing and Combatting Liberal Media Bias

I guess I should pray for more raging lunatic liberals to start noticing the massive liberal bias in the media this site points out, so they can come here and make themselves completely agreeable with the entire reason for this site's existence.

Hey, you're a liberal freak rhayes, and you're here, do you agree with most all of the exposing of the liberal media bias this site points out ? It doesn't seem you do, so why the heck are you here, to bust our balls ? You here to start fights and get in our faces ? Oh yeah, that is why you are here. I guess the rest of the libs think you're a freak too since they aren't here, or they agree with this site's information, and are afraid to admit it.

Well, any which way, I'll hope more liberals wake up and realize how liberally slanted the MSM is and then they can come here and have a good basis for getting along instead of creating friction and destroying any sort of comraderie, like hater and his fantasy site destroyers have been trying to do.

You know rhayes, yesterday you whined that this site doesn't point out Fox News conservative bias, as if it was it's duty to do so. It's crazy crap like that, that makes me think you're several bricks shy of a full load, besides the idiotic initial premise you bandied about that elicited this response.

A few other big reasons the votes are so low for liberals.

1. Most liberals dare not admit they are liberals today. They know it's almost considered a swearword by the vast majority of the American populace.

2. Most liberals would be raging, ranting, raving lunatics filled with hate, and cussing up a storm with a few minutes of reading on this site. I suspect that is exactly what happens to most of them, and they slam shut their webbrowser and storm off cursing, never to even post here.

3. The rest of them are like hater, they are liberal freaks filled with hate and could care less how correct this site actually is, all they want to do is attack people here basically for their percieved support of President Bush, which most liberals have an insane obssession over.

So, get a clue rhayes. Or, nevermind, you're a liberal, so my expectation is exactly ZERO.

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rhayes Says:
August 25, 2006 - 19:25
abusive behavior- neocon defintion- being a "leftist" and defending yourself

but insults from the far right are totally acceptable, hence the large proportion and tiny amount of closet "liberals"


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Conservative in the Arts Says:
August 25, 2006 - 19:20
What many Liberals refuse to acknowledge is that any tax on any business is eventually passed on to the public that buys their products. So, It only makes what we buy more expensive and the only ones that gain from this is the government.

By the way, After reading your little sandbox list, which one are you? My guess is Boil. St. Jimmy and Fatesweb and the father are all just too self destructing to try anything close to a real debate.

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rhayes Says:
August 25, 2006 - 19:19
and you thought neocon was mindless name calling?

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rhayes Says:
August 25, 2006 - 19:09
[T]he neocons are heavily influenced by Woodrow Wilson, with perhaps a hint of Theodore Roosevelt...They believe in an aggressive U.S. presence practically everywhere, and in the spread of democracy around the world, by force if necessary....Neoconservatives tend to want more efficient government agencies; paleoconservatives want fewer government agencies. [Neoconservatives] generally admire President Franklin Delano Roosevelt and his heavily interventionist New Deal policies. Neoconservatives have not exactly been known for their budget consciousness, and you won’t hear them talking about making any serious inroads into the federal apparatus.[1]

Many liberals advocate a greater degree of government interference in the free market, often in the form of anti-discrimination laws, civil service examinations, universal education, and progressive taxation. This philosophy frequently extends to a belief that the government should provide for a degree of general welfare, including the dole for the poor, housing for the homeless, and medical care for the sick. Such publicly-funded initiatives and interferences in the market are rejected by modern advocates of classical liberalism, which emphasizes free private enterprise, individual property rights and freedom of contract; classical liberals hold that economic inequality, as arising naturally from competition in the free market, does not justify the violation of private property rights. However, modern advocates of classical liberalism do advocate a heavier taxation on the corporation, as opposed to the current trend of the burden of income tax resting on the shoulders of the individual worker, as did the early classical liberals.

I dont agree with welfare and especially corporate welfare but I do agree with universal health care. Too many folks have been bankrupted by health bills especially after they couldnt afford health insurance or couldnt even qualify!

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sarcasmo Says:
August 25, 2006 - 19:08
Thanks (especially for the "Each"!). Actually, the NB editors have been quite mature about my continued existence here, despite my disagreements with various conservatives here on various issues. What Bal & I do here, though, is obviously different from what hater did, or we'd deserve to be booted, too...
JMR

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sarcasmo Says:
August 25, 2006 - 19:01
Crap. Obviously we needed 10 choices, and chances are Neocons would be as "honest" as the leftists here obviously-are, at 0% so-far. (7PM EST Friday.)
JMR

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Free Stinker Says:
August 25, 2006 - 18:59

. . . as if they weren't removed for abusive behavior.

If disagreeing would get you booted, Balboa & Sarcasmo would have been banned 500 times. Each.

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Chris Norman Says:
August 25, 2006 - 18:58
I'm a Conservative with Libertarian leanings. I'm also a Conservative who is getting fed up with a lot of the so-called Conservatives that we sent to Washington and who forgot that they were supposed to be Conservatives. As a good Republican, I will vote, once again, for these so-called Conservatives, and hope for the best, because the alternative is too awful to think about. Sheesh.

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

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sarcasmo Says:
August 25, 2006 - 18:56
(The fact that NB editors gave us 9 choices speaks volumes, IMO -- & take a wild guess how I self-labeled, but...) this blog post proves the need for me once-again to link to this quiz. Trying to describe humanity politically isn't easily done by a diamond-shaped chart, but the crappy little chart beats the living daylights out of a simpleminded left-right line -- even if a Libertarian politician invented it.
JMR

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rhayes Says:
August 25, 2006 - 18:56
Why not have an honest poll and include Neoconservative verses just Republican??

1% liberal. That makes sense. 1/100! hmmmm, maybe because they usually get excommunicated from this site!

and this explains why there are so few "liberal" comments on here.

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lbcdawn Says:
August 25, 2006 - 18:52
oh like Okay can I change my vote? Now I am really confused. I am mostly with this string Dan pd and CitA. My husband made a funny comment yesterday that was not pc I told him he was a good meanie headed republican. He said I am not a republican I am a conservative!

I don't vote party lines I vote with the Bible, prayer and study. Its not my fault that most of the time its a candidate with an R next to there name. I also happen to be a narrowminded issue oriented person with firm convictions. For example if I learn a candidate is pro-choice I do not vote for them. On the other hand if the only pro life candidate is a social liberal I forego voting that race. The lesser of two evils argument doesn't work with me. I realize by not voting party lines I fuel the opposition in some races but its a conscious conviction for me.. it wouldn't do for me to cross myself.

~lbcdawn Religion is about doing. Christianity is about done.

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porterjervis Says:
August 25, 2006 - 18:34
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoconservative


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nicksmith112 Says:
August 25, 2006 - 18:07
I am a refugee from the Democratic Party!

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Conservative in the Arts Says:
August 25, 2006 - 17:55
After reading the thread that our Hater groupies have going, It's even more fun to re-read what I typed on how I am. They are so proud of themselves over there. They are reading this, and posting it up over at their own little sandbox. "Hi boys!"

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MightyMouth Says:
August 25, 2006 - 17:36
Boy did you come to the right place. :-p

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

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acadia1755 Says:
August 25, 2006 - 17:33
I click on Moderate because I have no idea what I am anymore!





I do not agree with wars but sometimes you got to do what you got to do.





The UN has failed its mandate and like an old Hooker it is time to retire.





I do not agree with torture of a prisoner! But if I see a terrorist standing on a bucket with electric wires in his hands? I say plug it in!





If the Turdtappers want to get hitched? Let it be! but don’t call it marriage.





I do not believe in giving up my values to please another individual who does not give a Damn if I live or die!

I have no problem accepting a new member in my community regardless of color or religion.





I am 100% for Israel’s right to exist and 100% in favor that it should clean up the M.E. cesspool.





I think Al Gore is a Complete Idiot! And Dean? Demented.





I think watching Bush saying Nuclear is funny! As funny as I trying to type it! J





Freedom of the press is a joke and an Insult to our right to be informed.

The Media should understand that they are there to report the News not fabricate it.

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pbdmiller Says:
August 25, 2006 - 17:27
I'm with Dan and CITA ------ amen!

Peace through superior firepower, baby, yeah!

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Ten7s Says:
August 25, 2006 - 17:05
Some definitions would be helpful. For example:

Conservatives - William F. Buckley, Russell Kirk, et. al., social and fiscal conservatives, foreign policy realists

Neoconservatives - Bill Kristol, Francis Fukuyama, et. al., social and fiscal moderates, foreign policy idealists

Paleoconservatives - Pat Buchannan and friends, social and fiscal conservatives, foreign policy isolationists


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Tantalus Says:
August 25, 2006 - 16:48
I fit in the ex-lib-by-default catagory. I re-educated myself after the 2000 election and am still expunging my formery held moonbat inspired, unsupported, indefensible and politically correct ideas. I am not proud to admit my past indoctrination but I now appreciate how valuable sites like NewsBusters are in flushing out "The rest of the story"

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Conservative in the Arts Says:
August 25, 2006 - 16:32
Dan, I'm with you. I'd rather put myself in the Hard Core, Bible thumping, evangelical, born-again religous wacko that just votes Republican.

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PeskyDane Says:
August 25, 2006 - 16:29
I'm a mezo-pre-cambrian-lithic conservative, myself...

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bexter Says:
August 25, 2006 - 16:26
As a moderate Paleoconservative I find much issue with neoconservatives. I suggest reading some of Pat Buchanan or Bill Buckley's writings on the subject.

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Dan The Man 2 Says:
August 25, 2006 - 16:18
i checked "Other" because I am a Christian first and foremeost but lean to conservtive views. i, like all of us here, am not in any "Bush Bot" mold or pure conservative mold but have some ideas that would be leftist. One for instance is I believe in a universal basic healthcare and a system that would be able to house and feed the people who really need it. I believe in caring for the poor and indigent who cannot help themselves or need a leg up.

That said I dont think it would work in government because people would pervert it as they have many other things. Im not sure it would work in a private enterprise such as a church sponsored activity either. It all boils down to personal resposibility and the propensity of individuals to shirk that resposibility if given the opertunity to do so.

Only if we applied some common sense, sorely in short supply these days, to the problem and used it liberally. We would look at each case and make a determination of specific needs.

So i cant in good conciensce see myself as any persuasion other than Christian, even though I vote conservative. I voted for President Bush because he is a Christian and touched what was then the third rail of politics being a Born Again Christian and having Jesus as your guide in all things. in 2000 it was dynamite.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

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RJ Says:
August 25, 2006 - 16:09
What, you thought moonbat was just mindless name-calling?" ;^>

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robert108 Says:
August 25, 2006 - 16:04
Sorry, guys, but Buchanan is an isolationist, not a conservative of any kind. A paleoconservative is one who has been conservative for a long time, as opposed to a neoconservative, who is new to the movement. We "paleos" believe in the founding principles of America, like individual independence, free enterprise economic system, govt of, by, and for the people...stuff like that.

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  1. And what a delightful feast that would be! The auditory senses would be devoured by Garvaldian philosophy, delivered over hot oatmeal surprise and Buffy.
    Wish I could sit in the metal pot in water over the fire pit too...I think. The moon and mountains part sounds hott with you, my bubblin' g.
    Glad you found a community.
    Muffy

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  2. thanks m, noticed the tagboard from one of our mentally ill fans who seems to enjoy cutting and pasting from my site!
    Maybe soon u'll be here sitting in the hot tub with me under the stars far away from the lemming race and angry misguided republicans!

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