It's funny when you are away from the internets you kind of miss them. I finally have my own little portal or cyber door to the universe of intelligence....wow..that must be the stuff that infiltrated my lungs!...it's nice to be back at the Warr Acres library and sweet librarian, all dressed in red! :) I only have 15 minutes to say what I need to say and then put my writing and discussion from thescwhag.com. onto this site. I wrote on various places and my computer at home does not let my password work for some reason. Here is a conversation from the message board of the schwagsite:



Wh,
Im putting our discussion on the site for others that are interested. I'd like my site to be sort of a chat room and support group for those with ADD and those that want to get rid of Bush rather than just staying in a funky depression! Ithink many of the funniest folks have ADD!
pax,
Garv

I would like others to be aware of folks that have different ways of processing and to not feel alone if you realize that you might be different.


Whitehaze,
I felt like you did, until I saw the difference in calming down very hyperactive and unintentionally disruptive students. They have difficulty staying in their seats and talking impulsively without thinking often getting themselves in trouble.

There is a substantial difference immediately in their behavior . When the medication wears out or they didn't take it, they get into trouble ...

I do believe in nutrition as a way to help students and gradually decrease the medication when their eating habits are better. Often the processed food in our diets causes so many problems and often causes problems and allergies . This poor diet is exhibited in poor behavior or poor work skills.

check out my site..I've talked about my own ADD and how it affects my life. I try to keep a sense of humor about all the fuckups that are often things folks that are absent minded and impulsive do.

www.escapetheokiezone.com

as far as bud and ADD,
weed definitely makes me more lazy, so when I have been teaching, I wait until evening after work. When I have lots of work, I make cannabis a treat until the work is done. I also stay a very closet smoker as far as not letting any one at work know that I imbibe because of all the propaganda about for almost a century!

I'm hoping that with more exposure we will lessen the stigma so it will be like having a beer after work.



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Garvald, I understand your point, but I think you failed to understand mine.

Here's your example:
Not concentrating*take pill*concentrating

Here's my example:
Not concentrating (severity may differ with ADHD, I understand)*take pill* concentrating.

So, Speed helps you concentrate. ADHD children may need it more, but I could use it too. I have a lot of work to do, and I have trouble concentrating. Why shouldn't I use it?

Also, remember, parents like to use this so that they don't have to love and watch their kids. It's way over prescribed, and nearly handed out among doctors. Having only 3 and a half years of Psych, and a year of training in clinical testing, I could easily obtain it if I so desired. If you know how to answer the questions properly, you can obtain it too.

BUT BACK TO THE POINT: I could care less what YOU ingest. If it helps you, enjoy. I just don't think it's a smart idea to have children ingest relatively new drugs and screw up their very sensitive brains. Do we want children to be dependent on a pill for the rest of their lives, or would we like to see them succeed on their own accord?

I totally agree, DIET is essential to feeling and acting well. I was ecstatic that you make points to feed your children good food.



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ahhhh adderall....

Melissa's bro is on it, and it seems to have helped him with his schoolwork indeed....As for the drawbacks, I think I will coerce him into posting his thoughts......

I DO know this....Adderall is not a weak, simple drug. It is a combination of two different amphetamine salts, and by weight is more potent than methamphetamines. The two amp combo works magic by each salt functioning in waves, overlapping each other, presumably to lessen the crash........

At one time amphetamines (not necessarily adderall) were the most prescribed pharms in america....Valium gets all the press, but post war america is a country run by speed freaks.

Not a big fan myself, but there are valid uses for it, and like any other drug it can simply be a tool, however, the potential for addiction/ abuse is pretty damn high.

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whitehaze,
you wrote,
So, Speed helps you concentrate. ADHD children may need it more, but I could use it too. I have a lot of work to do, and I have trouble concentrating. Why shouldn't I use it?

Yes, speed helps you concentrate. and from my experience teaching students with ADHD, I have not seen them grow up to become addicts. They go off it during the summer without any desire to have it.

There is a lot of stigma because it is an amphetamine and that was why I was reluctant to try adderall until I was sure. The Doctor let me try different samples from stratera to a med for narcolepsy. They all had good effects for thinking and my own ability to focus on what my gf was saying. I have been reluctant to try an amphetamine for very long but I have never felt addicted to it and often go weeks without it. I just drink more coffee which isn't healthy.(actually green tea gives you a good lift and it is good for you!)

When I was teaching,
I realized that the time released adderall worked well for me all day and I was able to work well into the evening. I would have felt overwhelmed with all the work with IEPS and lesson plans. I no longer felt overwhelmed with all the work that I had to do and developed more confidence. I also realized how much more that I could do in a day. It was like finally getting glasses after being nearsighted.

I am taking a year off to write and find out where I am going in my life. I realize that these pills are very potent and when I open up the capsules and just have a few beads, I can make the pill last (for as long as a week)
I only take a little of it, just like I would a cup of coffee, except that it really works so much better. It actually often lifts me out of a sometimes lethargic depression.


"Also, remember, parents like to use this so that they don't have to love and watch their kids. It's way over prescribed, and nearly handed out among doctors. Having only 3 and a half years of Psych, and a year of training in clinical testing, I could easily obtain it if I so desired. If you know how to answer the questions properly, you can obtain it too. "

I have worked with parents and many say that until they have a student that will not behave no matter how good a parent they may be. They are reluctant to try the drug regardless of how misbehaved the student is acting. The drug can be overprescribed but I have not seen that with the students that I have worked with.
parents sometimes want to blame the teacher or others when good parenting skills would work better in conjuction with limited medication.
There is a significant change in their behavior when they miss.

"BUT BACK TO THE POINT: I could care less what YOU ingest. If it helps you, enjoy. I just don't think it's a smart idea to have children ingest relatively new drugs and screw up their very sensitive brains. Do we want children to be dependent on a pill for the rest of their lives, or would we like to see them succeed on their own accord?"

There has been a lot of research on it. I have not seen the side effects from the adderall on any students. I know that it should be as a last resort but it also a choice for parents that don't want their child to miss out on a good education because of their poor behavior and inabilty to concentrate.
check out my site....I have a lot of books posted on my site about ADD. There are many historically significant inventors, artists, scientists that most likely had the "syndrome" when it can actually be a blessing and talent.

I totally agree, DIET is essential to feeling and acting well. I was ecstatic that you make points to feed your children good food.

Americans have more problems in this country in regards to violence, poor behavior in schools. This diet causes many more problems than we realize. Children are getting adult onset diabetes because they are 100 lbs too heavy.

If we ate vegetables more and less red meat, we would be healthier and less angry.

Hope that you didnt mind the way I responded to your letter, Haze



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I think the way you responded was perfect. If I could figure out how to quote on this damn thing I would.

All the benefits you describe are indeed great benefits. I also notice the same thing about coffee. I used to be a real user of ADDs when I was in high school. I had a friend who was prescribed them and hated them. So, naturally, he gave them to his homey. ME.

They were wonderful. I could do all my work, be a peach in class. Shit, I remember raising my hand and answering questions, even while stoned. Those were fun days. I lost weight, didn't need to sleep, and it helped me make straight "A's. (That's what we are here for right?) I was the perfect little boy.

But I WAS on a pill. Speed.

I guess I get a long fine without it, but I guess I miss it like you would. It's hard for me to concentrate, and I get anxious when I have big tasks. I perform better when on Speed. Flat out.

I like what you said near the end because it proves my point well. Those historically significant artists and inventors, and scientists that had the "syndrome" as you describe it. Those people didn't have pills. They had their "word" and their "balls" per Tony Montana. That's it.

Imagine if everyone though Van Gogh needed a pill because he was a bit too looney?

Again, I am all about YOUR freedom. This country is badass because of it.
I just don't think giving kids speed is a good answer. I have two cousins with doctor described ADHD, and they are special, but something about the pills makes them different from themselves.

If a kid doesn't raise his hand or talks in class. If a kid doesn't get in line properly, or plays rough with the other boys. If a kid doesn't want to do his work. Are these good reasons?

I SAY screw lines, screw raising your hand, screw not talking to a friend in class, screw that bullshit busy work like writing your name 30 times. If my kid is smart enough not to wanna write his name in cursive six times, and write out spelling definitition 8 times. MORE POWER. Ask yourself, can that kid concentrate on nintendo for 3 hours? Does he have ADD?

Elementery school for kids is all about bullshit socializiation. Get in line, raise hand, don't talk, don't step out of line. Keep a perfect straight line. If a Kid strays from the norm, he needs something.

Aren't you quitting to write and think about where your going? doesn't that suggest something to you about it's possible influence, or I am reading way to much into that....

Thanks for such a lively debate Garvald. It's helped me burn a few minutes before a third date. I was so anxious...

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"Aren't you quitting to write and think about where your going? doesn't that suggest something to you about it's possible influence, or I am reading way to much into that...."

I have been thinking about writing a book for 20 years. One
of the most irritating and frustrating symptom of the condition is procrastination and putting something off until you are way past the deadline. I would end up doing papers for the prof at 3 in the morning. I did not have the pill when I survived college a few times.

It is hard to say where I might be in my life right now if I had started in high school long before they knew about the condition and just called you lazy and absent minded.

You need to read "Driven to Distraction" about adults going no where in their life until they discovered medication and doing the steps in their lives to cope with their difference in processing. Check out Barnes and Noble and browse books on ADD and relationship. It will give you a lot of insight into yourself and others.

"Thanks for such a lively debate Garvald. It's helped me burn a few minutes before a third date. I was so anxious...

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